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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Spatula" data-source="post: 5139493" data-attributes="member: 2198">A bard without a magic instrument is what I said. Not that there's anything wrong with poet or singing or interpretive dancing bards.It's about a 50/50 split in PHB2, less with the ranged weapon spells in Arcane Power.  As others have noticed this is true of many if not most classes. If you're a STR-based paladin, you probably don't have the stats to be investing in CHA-based prayers. Generally speaking, bard weapon attacks tie into the virtue of valor, bard implement spells tie into the virtue of cunning, and bard ranged weapon attacks go with the virtue of prescience.Does your class/build have STR as a primary or secondary attribute? No? Does it have an at-will that can be used as a melee basic attack? No? Did you spend a feat on Melee Training? No? Then your OAs and charges (and grabs, and bull rushes...) are almost certainly going to suck. Most classes (15 out of 26, I think) fall into that category.But the question is, why would a pure caster bard be charging into melee? If that's what you want your bard to do, there are bard weapon attacks that can be used in a charge, and you're into the third category of a bard that mixes melee & implement spells.There's actually several different varities songblades. And cool wands? They're the most boring implement of the lot IMO. And most of them are of dubious value anyway, thanks to the rule about not being able to use the wand effectively if it contains a spell outside your class.Arcane Implement Proficiency (AIP) can allow a bard to cast all his or her spells through a heavy or light blade.</blockquote>

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