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Message: <blockquote data-quote="PrecociousApprentice" data-source="post: 4344726" data-attributes="member: 61449">Yeah, this whole thing really needs cleared up. The example on pg 55 states pretty clearly that a power that does damage does that keyword in damage. It also states that a keyword on a power doesn't necessarily do damage of that keywords type. Then it goes on to state that any time a power does damage and has multiple damage keywords, you take the damage and divide it between the keywords' types, rounding up for the first and down for the others. This means these things happen.1) A power that does damage should gain the keyword for the damage type it causes.2) A power can have a keyword and not do damage.3) If a power does damage, then you divide the damage between the damage keyword types.These are in direct violation of the ruling that custserve gave on the illusion powers. These powers do psychic damage, but custserve ruled that they do not gain the psychic keyword. Direct violation of the primary rules text, but that is the way they went even after this was pointed out. Go figure.The text on page 226 pretty clearly states that when you use the magic item as part of using a class or racial power, then all the keywords for the item's power all apply. It does not state that when you use a magic item power, all the class or racial power keywords apply. This is explicitly a one directional relationship. There is also a very specific set of rules that relate to how magic item powers usages are handled that follows in this section of the PHB. Since specific trumps general in the rules, even if this relationship was two directional, then the general rule that reliable powers aren't expended if they do not hit is trumped by the specific rule about magic item usages that follws, and so item powers would not gain the reliable keyword from any fighter dailies.There is a problem with the keyword text that has got to be cleared up for any of us to settle this. The question of what types of keywords can be inherited should be spelled out explicitly. We can clearly read that keywords can be inherited from items. I find it somewhat hard to believe that the Daily/Encounter/At-Will keywords can be inherited. That would certainly break the system. Damage and effect keywords seem somewhat reasonable, even if they allow some potent combinations. Accessory keywords seem to be redundant to have inherited, but this redundancy doesn't appear to break anything, so it doesn't matter. What about power source keywords? I am not aware of any power source interactions, but there could be.Even as it stands, the only real inconsistencies are the ruling by custserve on the psychic keyword being added to the illusion powers and the possibility that when used with a magic item with an At-Will or Encounter power, a class or racial power can inherit that keyword as well as the others that it inherits. An easy erata to clear this up would be that the class or racial power inherits the damage and effect keywords (and possibly the powersource keywords), but not the Encounter/Daily/At-Will keywords. They would still need to clear up the custserve ruling on the power gaining a keyword for the damage type that it causes to fix the illusions though. That was a huge blunder, first on Dragon's part and then on custserves part.EDIT: Thinking about the magic item's usage keywords (At-Will/Encounter/Daily), the text states that the power gains the keyword when used. If you use a daily class or racial power with an item posessing an At-Will or Encounter power, and it then gains the At-Will or Encounter keyword, then after the power is used it ceases to have the At-Will or Encounter keyword, is it expended because you have used it since taking an extended rest without using an ability that explicitly says that you retain it?</blockquote>

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