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<blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 4352176" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p>Alright, let me throw my hand in the ring here:</p><p></p><p>1) If I use an at-will magic item power with one of my daily power, does it suddenly become at-will?</p><p></p><p>The answer is no, but not because at-will isn't a keyword. Its because at-will isn't a keyword that "indicate their damage or effect types." This sentence is right before the inheritance sentence and I think its an important clause. Its saying that not all keywords follow the inheritance clause for magic items.</p><p></p><p>2) If I use a radiant power with a flaming sword's at-will power, does it do 1/2 radiant- 1/2 fire, or all fire? What keywords does it have?</p><p></p><p>The answer is all fire, but it still has the radiant and fire keywords.</p><p></p><p>First off, a flaming sword DOES NOT have the fire keyword by default. So if you swing around that flaming sword, you are still doing your radiant damage with a radiant keyword. Now let's activate the power. The power has the fire keyword, so following the rules on pg. 226, my attack power now has the radiant and fire keywords, and so would do 1/2 fire and 1/2 radiant.</p><p></p><p>BUT WAIT!! Remember our exception based design. The text of the power is the most specific, and therefore trumps anything else. It says that all of the damage the person does is fire damage. So our 1/2 fire - 1/2 radiant damage is converted to all fire damage by the power. However, the power says nothing about converting all of the keywords. Therefore, the power still has the radiant and fire keywords, and can still benefit from feats that rely on those. But if I strike an undead with it, the vulnerability wouldn't kick in, as there's no radiant damage being done. And if I struck a creature resistant to radiant damage, it wouldn't get the resistance, once again no radiant damage is being done.</p><p></p><p>3) If a use a reliable class power with a daily magic item power, does the daily magic item power become reliable?</p><p></p><p>The answer is no. The reason is the inheritance clause only works one way. Class powers can gain the keywords of magic item powers....but there is nothing that says a magic item power gains the keywords of class powers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Stalker0, post: 4352176, member: 5889"] Alright, let me throw my hand in the ring here: 1) If I use an at-will magic item power with one of my daily power, does it suddenly become at-will? The answer is no, but not because at-will isn't a keyword. Its because at-will isn't a keyword that "indicate their damage or effect types." This sentence is right before the inheritance sentence and I think its an important clause. Its saying that not all keywords follow the inheritance clause for magic items. 2) If I use a radiant power with a flaming sword's at-will power, does it do 1/2 radiant- 1/2 fire, or all fire? What keywords does it have? The answer is all fire, but it still has the radiant and fire keywords. First off, a flaming sword DOES NOT have the fire keyword by default. So if you swing around that flaming sword, you are still doing your radiant damage with a radiant keyword. Now let's activate the power. The power has the fire keyword, so following the rules on pg. 226, my attack power now has the radiant and fire keywords, and so would do 1/2 fire and 1/2 radiant. BUT WAIT!! Remember our exception based design. The text of the power is the most specific, and therefore trumps anything else. It says that all of the damage the person does is fire damage. So our 1/2 fire - 1/2 radiant damage is converted to all fire damage by the power. However, the power says nothing about converting all of the keywords. Therefore, the power still has the radiant and fire keywords, and can still benefit from feats that rely on those. But if I strike an undead with it, the vulnerability wouldn't kick in, as there's no radiant damage being done. And if I struck a creature resistant to radiant damage, it wouldn't get the resistance, once again no radiant damage is being done. 3) If a use a reliable class power with a daily magic item power, does the daily magic item power become reliable? The answer is no. The reason is the inheritance clause only works one way. Class powers can gain the keywords of magic item powers....but there is nothing that says a magic item power gains the keywords of class powers. [/QUOTE]
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