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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Riastlin" data-source="post: 5354314" data-attributes="member: 94022">In terms of major changes within the parameters you've provided, I think the only other major change would be the general change with regard to surgeless healing. I think the complaints come largely from two categories: 1.  Although many of the changes are the "specific builds" that you mention, there have been so many of those changes that there are few characters that have not been affected by them.  The result is that practically every player has been impacted by them (and continues to be if they look at the books instead of the character builder).  Of course, not all of the changes were bad, but be that as it may, its nearly to the point where there isn't much use in looking at the powers in PHB1 because so many have been tweaked. 2.  Essentials theories.  Essentials, while its compatible with 4th Ed. brings with it some clearly different theories in the guise of magic items, and, to an extent, class structures.  Obviously nothing in essentials does away with dailies, etc., but I think the fear was that it would.  Many of these fears are being alleviated (imho) by those who have now actually experienced Essentials, but there certainly seems to have been a shift in thinking at WotC.  Again, whether the shift is good or not is open to debate though that is not the point of this thread. Just my 2 coppers.</blockquote>