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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Infiniti2000" data-source="post: 2308687" data-attributes="member: 31734">"Most" is so widely open to interpretation, that your opinion on it is rendered immaterial.  In point of fact, you provide a number of examples when it would/could happen with (apparently) even a poor-melee sorcerer.  How about a sorcerer/dragon disciple or someone else who doesn't mind "getting dirty?"  There are numerous situations where a dim door would be useful, if not downright necessary. But, if you wish, go ahead and totally disregard terrain and any other factors for your incomplete analysis.  Put both combatants in a square, featureless room with no way out.  If that helps you, then more power to you.</blockquote>