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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8038811" data-attributes="member: 18">You didn't test that scenario so I didn't speculate that. I said I'd think that if you tested 3d6 with numbers vs 3d6 with pips and found 3d6 with numbers was faster, then one might conclude that. But you haven't tested that AFAIK.And yeah, it would be pretty weird for experience players not to be able to count pips on dice pretty instantaneously. Most people are raised playing dice games. You don't see six pips and go &quot;1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 pips!&quot; even mentally, you just know there are six - it's not even like reading a number. Like, if you had multiple people like that, it's be quite unusual.Switching to &quot;most people&quot; is not an improvement. It's still a claim for which you have no evidence based on your testing. &quot;Some people&quot; would be totally fair. If English isn't your first language, maybe the difference isn't obvious though (I mention this because I don't know, and it's a common issue on the internet to have people who write English so well you have no idea if English is their first language or not, but may have some minor areas where they're really confused about word-usage in this messy language (like a guy I saw a few days ago who didn't understand that the &quot;feel&quot; in &quot;I feel like that might not be a great idea&quot; and &quot;I feel sad&quot; is a fundamentally different usage of the word)Okay, I guess for me not having Take 10 is such a huge thing for this particular issue that it shocked me that you not only hadn't considered it as a solution, but were trying to fix the problem without even knowing if 5E had Take 10 (which is a tremendous tool in reducing &quot;Oh look -2 WIS Barbarian got a total of 18 on his Religion check whilst +3 WIS, Proficient Cleric&nbsp; got a total of 8). It seems like you should know the rules pertinent to what you're changing in more detail is my point. Less so knowing, say, the wilderness survival rules, I admit.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8038811, member: 18"] You didn't test that scenario so I didn't speculate that. I said I'd think that[I] if [/I]you tested 3d6 with numbers vs 3d6 with pips and found 3d6 with numbers was faster, [I]then[/I] one might conclude that. But you haven't tested that AFAIK. And yeah, it would be pretty weird for experience players not to be able to count pips on dice pretty instantaneously. Most people are raised playing dice games. You don't see six pips and go "1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 pips!" even mentally, you just know there are six - it's not even like reading a number. Like, if you had multiple people like that, it's be quite unusual. Switching to "most people" is not an improvement. It's still a claim for which you have no evidence based on your testing. "Some people" would be totally fair. If English isn't your first language, maybe the difference isn't obvious though (I mention this because I don't know, and it's a common issue on the internet to have people who write English so well you have no idea if English is their first language or not, but may have some minor areas where they're really confused about word-usage in this messy language (like a guy I saw a few days ago who didn't understand that the "feel" in "I feel like that might not be a great idea" and "I feel sad" is a fundamentally different usage of the word) Okay, I guess for me not having Take 10 is such a huge thing for this particular issue that it shocked me that you not only hadn't considered it as a solution, but were trying to fix the problem without even knowing if 5E had Take 10 (which is a tremendous tool in reducing "Oh look -2 WIS Barbarian got a total of 18 on his Religion check whilst +3 WIS, Proficient Cleric got a total of 8). It seems like you should know the rules pertinent to what you're changing in more detail is my point. Less so knowing, say, the wilderness survival rules, I admit. [/QUOTE]

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