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<blockquote data-quote="FireLance" data-source="post: 5009917" data-attributes="member: 3424">In this case, I would not use the &quot;three failures&quot; model for the skill challenge.I would make it a timed skill challenge, in which the players have to score [Number of players x 2] successes in three rounds (this is close enough to a complexity = [number of players] skill challenge*). This gets everyone into the action because a 20% chance of success at an Athletics or Endurance check is still better than doing nothing (make this clear to your players, though, as some may be too used to the &quot;normal&quot; way that skill challenges are run). Secondary skills such as Perception or Nature to identify the best rocks to clear may be used to score one or two successes, as may the clever use of class abilities and powers, or anything else that the players can convince you may work or has a chance of working (never understimate the creativity of your players).If the characters fail to obtain the necessary number of successes, the wailing stops, the ghost disappears, and if they continute to excavate the site, all they find are the bones.[SBLOCK=* (math)]A Complexity 1 skill challenge is functionally equivalent to one character rolling six skill checks and succeeding at at least four, which is approximately equal to one character rolling three skill checks and succeeding at two. Hence, a Complexity N skill challenge is approximately equal to N characters rolling 3N skill checks and succeeding at 2N. It is slightly more forgiving than a Complexity 1 skill challenge for one character as the more skillful characters can help &quot;make up&quot; for the failures of the less skillful characters.[/SBLOCK]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FireLance, post: 5009917, member: 3424"] In this case, I would not use the "three failures" model for the skill challenge. I would make it a timed skill challenge, in which the players have to score [Number of players x 2] successes in three rounds (this is close enough to a complexity = [number of players] skill challenge*). This gets everyone into the action because a 20% chance of success at an Athletics or Endurance check is still better than doing nothing (make this clear to your players, though, as some may be too used to the "normal" way that skill challenges are run). Secondary skills such as Perception or Nature to identify the best rocks to clear may be used to score one or two successes, as may the clever use of class abilities and powers, or anything else that the players can convince you may work or has a chance of working (never understimate the creativity of your players). If the characters fail to obtain the necessary number of successes, the wailing stops, the ghost disappears, and if they continute to excavate the site, all they find are the bones. [SBLOCK=* (math)]A Complexity 1 skill challenge is functionally equivalent to one character rolling six skill checks and succeeding at at least four, which is approximately equal to one character rolling three skill checks and succeeding at two. Hence, a Complexity N skill challenge is approximately equal to N characters rolling 3N skill checks and succeeding at 2N. It is slightly more forgiving than a Complexity 1 skill challenge for one character as the more skillful characters can help "make up" for the failures of the less skillful characters.[/SBLOCK] [/QUOTE]

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