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<blockquote data-quote="Skallgrim" data-source="post: 5011987" data-attributes="member: 79271">I guess that whether it is a skill challenge is really more semantics than an actually issue.However, this is the part (or the party) that I don't understand.&nbsp; You have a group who would sit back and let the barbarian lift all the rocks when they can hear a wailing child underneath?&nbsp; Unless it is a skill challenge?What group of heroic adventurers does this?&quot;An infant, trapped under those rocks!&nbsp; Go rescue him, Conan!&nbsp; We'll stand over here.&quot;Using the standard DMG guidelines for skill challenges (modified by the rules updates), I can see why the players might hold back. If they fail 3 checks, then they fail the challenge.&nbsp; No one wants to be the person who kills the child/blows the challenge.Now, if you are using open-ended skill challenges, or a skill challenge that resolves things differently than a standard DMG challenge does, that changes a whole lot of things, to the point where I don't know how we can all be reliably talking about the same thing. My point, originally, was that the idea (we try to help the mother, and discover that she, and her baby, are ghosts) was such a cool idea that I wouldn't want to run the risk of not having the &quot;big reveal&quot; by doing this as a skill challenge (someone blows a couple of rolls and they all fail the challenge, and the 'mother' just vanishes in a cry of anguish).&nbsp; If you structure a skill challenge such that the cool setting you have already worked out will be revealed, then more power to you, but I do think it would need to be structured differently than the standard '3 strikes' skill challenges.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Skallgrim, post: 5011987, member: 79271"] I guess that whether it is a skill challenge is really more semantics than an actually issue. However, this is the part (or the party) that I don't understand. You have a group who would sit back and let the barbarian lift all the rocks when they can hear a wailing child underneath? Unless it is a skill challenge? What group of heroic adventurers does this? "An infant, trapped under those rocks! Go rescue him, Conan! We'll stand over here." Using the standard DMG guidelines for skill challenges (modified by the rules updates), I can see why the players might hold back. If they fail 3 checks, then they fail the challenge. No one wants to be the person who kills the child/blows the challenge. Now, if you are using open-ended skill challenges, or a skill challenge that resolves things differently than a standard DMG challenge does, that changes a whole lot of things, to the point where I don't know how we can all be reliably talking about the same thing. My point, originally, was that the idea (we try to help the mother, and discover that she, and her baby, are ghosts) was such a cool idea that I wouldn't want to run the risk of not having the "big reveal" by doing this as a skill challenge (someone blows a couple of rolls and they all fail the challenge, and the 'mother' just vanishes in a cry of anguish). If you structure a skill challenge such that the cool setting you have already worked out will be revealed, then more power to you, but I do think it would need to be structured differently than the standard '3 strikes' skill challenges. [/QUOTE]

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