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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 7402581" data-attributes="member: 58172">@<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6919838" target="_blank">5ekyu</a>Heh, when I think of your system as ‘nine’, it seems alien. But when I think of your system as ‘three’ it is actually similar to mine.You have the three: Brawn, Brains and Social.This is quite similar to mine. Social ≈ EmpathyBrains ≈ PerceptivenessBrawn ≈ Athletics + ToughnessInterestingly, I have looked at the Cypher system (by Monte Cook and Bruce Cordell), but havent played it. It has:Might ≈ D&D Strength + Constitution + SizeSpeed ≈ D&D DexterityIntellect ≈ D&D Intelligence + Wisdom + CharismaThese three Cypher stats probably balance well enough. My main objection is D&D Dexterity is narratively awkward, and needs rethinking. But in any case, the physical stats split between something like agility versus endurance.All of the mental stats lump into a single stat, and feels too simplified for my taste.By contrast, your system (and apparently the Vampire system) lumps all of the physical stats into a single ‘Brawn’. But the mental stats split between Brains and Social. So for my tastes, the mental duo feels right, but the physical mono feels too simple.I feel the optimal partition is two physical and two mental. Hence.Physical• Athletics ≈ Speed• Toughness ≈ MightMental• Perceptiveness ≈ Brains• Empathy ≈ SocialNote, my four stats corresponds exactly to the traditional D&D saves.• Athletics ≈ Relfex• Toughness ≈ Fortitude• Perceptiveness ≈ Perception• Empathy ≈ WillSo this same foursome is a deep archetypal divide that  inherently shows up within D&D too.</blockquote>

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