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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Smeelbo" data-source="post: 4738347" data-attributes="member: 81898">Ranger yes, because Hunter's Prey can apply to any attack, but Sneak Attack only applies to light blades, crossbows, or slings. Is the bard really going to "nova" with those weapons? Ranger is one of the best M/C feats, as it gives you access to any Ranger skill, especially Perception, and Hunter's Prey applies to any attack. While Thievery can be very useful, Jack of All Trades will get you +3 at Theivery, which is almost +5. Depends on whether you plan on being the primary trap disabler.Skills that, if you had taken Jack of All Trades instead, you'd already be +3 at, which, I point out at the risk of redundadundancy, is almost +5.Working at cross-purposes with Misdirected Mark, when is a very good At-Will...Wasting the skill training in Arcana.Which is unlikely to apply to any decent bard attack.Or Perception, but yes, Ranger M/C is probably the best M/C feat for practically anyone, including most bards.Perhaps, but it is less good than it looks, I think, for the reasons I've stated.Exactly what I said earlier. For those skills Bardic Knowledge covers, training them can be very worthwhile, while for utility skills, such as Stealth, Athletics, Perception, and so on, Jack of All Trades is a very efficient feat.Jack of All Trades is very good for those skills that don't really require training but which are likely to be useful, like Perception, Athletics, Endurance, Heal, Stealth. I'd say if you have three or more skills that are useful to you but are untrained, then Jack of All Trades can be an excellent choice. Bard is the first leader class that really appeals to me as a player. While I haven't settled on an order for feats yet, I plan on taking Jack of All Trades fairly early, and to take Bardic Knowledge later when I have enough knowledge skills trained. With a gnome bard and starting 18 CHA/INT, that leaves no more than 12s starting in his other stats. I'm not yet certain what multi-classing fits well into that build. I still don't understand how Sneak Attack is supposed to be useful to a Bard. My Ranger has M/C Rogue for various reasons, and the opportunity to sneak attack has come up only a few times in the first four levels of play. If a character isn't focused on light blades, crossbows, or god forbid, slings, Sneak Attack simply isn't going to come up very often.I like how you think.PHB, page 28, Retraining Skills: "You can't replace a skill if it's...predetermined by your class..." Honestly, I haven't seen anything in this thread that refutes my argument in my second post of this thread. Now I'd consider a house rule along the lines of something like "If a multiclass feat gives you skill training in a skill that you have already trained, and you cannot retrain that skill, you gain a +1 untyped bonus to that skill for every such multi-class feat." Something. I really like Usumcasane's idea, but my heart is set on a gnome bard for now. I am going to think about his idea, though. Smeelbo</blockquote>

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