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<blockquote data-quote="Set" data-source="post: 5159196" data-attributes="member: 41584"><p>You could go the other way and make nobody a Cleric.</p><p> </p><p>Add a few Cure Wounds spells to the Wizards necromancy and / or transmutation lists (perhaps a level higher, or only turning lethal damage into nonlethal damage, or requiring the necromancer to rob Peter to heal Paul or something), and ditch the Cleric entirely.</p><p> </p><p>Anyone can be a 'priest' of a specific god, if they take the feat, and will have some minor rituals that allow them specific bonuses, similar to the Devotion feats, perhaps.</p><p> </p><p>Anyone at all can invoke a diety, calling some minor blessing, similar to the Invocations used in the Scarred Lands settings (groupings of two to three prayers that a worshipper of a specific god can use as a standard action to give them a bonus to an action related to the dieties interests in the following round, so that a servant of Tanil, goddess of the hunt, archery, song and the wild could pray to make her next arrow fly true (bonus to hit) or to enhance her next musical or bardic performance).</p><p> </p><p>Heck, *Bards* could become the new Priests, using the Divine Bard option from Unearthed Arcana, and inspiring their flock through liturgical oratory, inspirational quotations from the holy canon and sometimes even sacred hymns.</p><p> </p><p>These sorts of options are best for a world in which the gods are distant, and don't interact with the mortal world (or, as in Eberron, can't even be proven to actually exist), and the Cleric class is less relevant, since anyone can be a priest, by taking the feat, just as anyone can be a priest in the real world by filling out the paperwork and proclaiming themselves an ordained minister of the Church of Elvis or whatever.</p><p> </p><p>Tweaking the sacrifice rules, from the Book of Vile Darkness, or using Incantations, from Unearthed Arcana, would be other methods of putting the power of the gods into the hands of pretty much anyone who can make the appropriate sacrifice, or uncover and complete the relevant Incantation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Set, post: 5159196, member: 41584"] You could go the other way and make nobody a Cleric. Add a few Cure Wounds spells to the Wizards necromancy and / or transmutation lists (perhaps a level higher, or only turning lethal damage into nonlethal damage, or requiring the necromancer to rob Peter to heal Paul or something), and ditch the Cleric entirely. Anyone can be a 'priest' of a specific god, if they take the feat, and will have some minor rituals that allow them specific bonuses, similar to the Devotion feats, perhaps. Anyone at all can invoke a diety, calling some minor blessing, similar to the Invocations used in the Scarred Lands settings (groupings of two to three prayers that a worshipper of a specific god can use as a standard action to give them a bonus to an action related to the dieties interests in the following round, so that a servant of Tanil, goddess of the hunt, archery, song and the wild could pray to make her next arrow fly true (bonus to hit) or to enhance her next musical or bardic performance). Heck, *Bards* could become the new Priests, using the Divine Bard option from Unearthed Arcana, and inspiring their flock through liturgical oratory, inspirational quotations from the holy canon and sometimes even sacred hymns. These sorts of options are best for a world in which the gods are distant, and don't interact with the mortal world (or, as in Eberron, can't even be proven to actually exist), and the Cleric class is less relevant, since anyone can be a priest, by taking the feat, just as anyone can be a priest in the real world by filling out the paperwork and proclaiming themselves an ordained minister of the Church of Elvis or whatever. Tweaking the sacrifice rules, from the Book of Vile Darkness, or using Incantations, from Unearthed Arcana, would be other methods of putting the power of the gods into the hands of pretty much anyone who can make the appropriate sacrifice, or uncover and complete the relevant Incantation. [/QUOTE]
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