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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 7317081" data-attributes="member: 1465">Been using all these since the 5e playtest. They are good but not enough to avoid still having PCs dumping Str, Int or Cha. That's because there is a lingering problem here that all those activities can be covered by ONE character for the whole party. The key problem eventually lies within the nature of active vs passive uses, because the latter typically cannot be avoided by a PC and the rest of the party cannot cover for you. That's why you rarely see anyone dumping Con, and dumping Dex or Wis is not truly rare (low Dex to AC is irrelevant in 5e if you wear heavy armor) but definitely not nearly as common as dumping Str/Cha/Int (Strength somewhat less common since many PCs just want to swing weapons). IXMP Cha is still a bit worse than Int, because usually ONE PC in the group with good Charisma covers for everyone, while often there is both the Wizard and the Rogue who need high Int for different purposes.In lieu of that, one more DM's idea that might help is trying to feature a lot more group checks, where success is determined by how many PCs make the check, so if you dump a stat you'll affect everyone else.</blockquote>