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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Piratecat" data-source="post: 1301188" data-attributes="member: 2">Hmmm. I'll disagree about the whip; those suckers definitely require special training to use effectively. If someone handed you a club and me a whip, you'd beat the stuffing out of me.I like the fact that blunt weapons are easier to use for subdual damage. I would use -4/-3/-2 for piercing/slashing/blunt.I really dislike the idea of mixed subdual/normal damage in a regular attack. Tracking subdual is a pain in the butt in  the best of circumstances, and this would be overly complex for me.I think there is no reason that any normal damage-doing spell can't have a subdual equivalent. I do this with few spells in my own game, although I also use the subdual spell feat.</blockquote>