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<blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 7811189" data-attributes="member: 6802951"><p>Before we get into the nitty-gritty, why did you choose to make a monk who is a little less powerful and athletic than the average commoner off the streets?</p><p>Was it pure character optimisation through wanting to pump other stats? </p><p>Did you want to play someone who really wanted to fight, but was let down by their lack of physical power, so turned to magic to make up for it?</p><p></p><p> The protagonists depicted in most kung-fu movies definitely have a strength higher then 10. Bruce Lee would probably be rocking a +2 or 3 STr modifier even before you get to what his films depict him as being able to do.</p><p> An Open Hand master can already knock someone across the room, which is pretty good control and nothing stops a Monk from picking up Athletics to represent physical prowess and grappling technique.</p><p></p><p> Monks can already run up walls, and jump way further than an equivalently athletic non-magic character could.</p><p></p><p> Not all characters get to be good in everything that the player wants them to do at character creation. If you decided that you didn't want to play an athletic or physically powerful character by putting a low score in Str rather than a more even distribution, I wouldn't take that choice away from you. You could have picked Athletics, Acrobatics, Nature and Medicine as your skills, but you chose not to.</p><p></p><p>No one put you in that box. You went in there of your own accord. Just like the cat.</p><p></p><p> Probably worth pointing out that Monks are the <em>magical</em>, martial arts class. Fighters, probably Rogues are the martial, martial arts class. And everyone deserves fun.</p><p></p><p>Put it this way: how would you feel if you were playing a monk who invested in Strength and Athletics because they wanted to be good at climbing, wrestling, and have a build like Bruce, and the DM handwaved all Strength and Athletics-related stuff to Dex and acrobatics so that the min/maxed Str-dumped monk could be better than you at everything?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cap'n Kobold, post: 7811189, member: 6802951"] Before we get into the nitty-gritty, why did you choose to make a monk who is a little less powerful and athletic than the average commoner off the streets? Was it pure character optimisation through wanting to pump other stats? Did you want to play someone who really wanted to fight, but was let down by their lack of physical power, so turned to magic to make up for it? The protagonists depicted in most kung-fu movies definitely have a strength higher then 10. Bruce Lee would probably be rocking a +2 or 3 STr modifier even before you get to what his films depict him as being able to do. An Open Hand master can already knock someone across the room, which is pretty good control and nothing stops a Monk from picking up Athletics to represent physical prowess and grappling technique. Monks can already run up walls, and jump way further than an equivalently athletic non-magic character could. Not all characters get to be good in everything that the player wants them to do at character creation. If you decided that you didn't want to play an athletic or physically powerful character by putting a low score in Str rather than a more even distribution, I wouldn't take that choice away from you. You could have picked Athletics, Acrobatics, Nature and Medicine as your skills, but you chose not to. No one put you in that box. You went in there of your own accord. Just like the cat. Probably worth pointing out that Monks are the [I]magical[/I], martial arts class. Fighters, probably Rogues are the martial, martial arts class. And everyone deserves fun. Put it this way: how would you feel if you were playing a monk who invested in Strength and Athletics because they wanted to be good at climbing, wrestling, and have a build like Bruce, and the DM handwaved all Strength and Athletics-related stuff to Dex and acrobatics so that the min/maxed Str-dumped monk could be better than you at everything? [/QUOTE]
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