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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 8123035" data-attributes="member: 83242">In general that is what I meant by "...change a few things..."However, I will point out a few issues with your comments:<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">in 4e demons were both corrupted elementals and just plain demons.  After the initial corruption, the Abyss spawned demons all on its own.  And some "demons" were already there when it formed (at least that was the 4e Dagon lore).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Similarly, not all devils in 4e were corrupted angles.  The rank and file devils came from the same source, primarily, as in every other addition - mortal souls.  Also, the idea of corrupted celestials becoming devils pre-dates 4e. Zariel for example.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">4e had standard 1 element elementals (water, fire, earth, air); and 1e-3e had "mixed" elementals: para & quasi-elementals.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Angels, that was definitely a change.  But not a big one to reconcile in terms of the lore.  Lots of easy ways to reconcile the editions on this one.  The 5e response to archons (see #9 below) is a good example.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">1-3e succubi are demons, 4e devils, 5e neither.  Yes that was a change in 4e (a good one IMO), but they mixed the two in 5e just fine.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">I honestly don't remember the official lore, but I took it as the ones the PCs are likely to fight in 4e would be "unaligned," but the typical 5 metallics would be good alignment. Though to be honest I don't care about alignment much, and this is trivially easy to reconcile lore wise.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">I don't know which editions undead are immune to mind-affecting effects, but it is not 1e, 4e, or 5e.  So 4e is part of the majority on this one.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Honestly I don't know about this, didn't care much for tieflings in any edition.  But I don't think they existed in 1e, so they barely count in my book <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">I agree this one is a change, but I would say the 4e "archons" are simply not archons at all with respect to the LG celestial version of previous versions.  In fact, they got repurposed as elemental myrmidons in 5e, which seems like a great way to blend the lore of 4e with other editions.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">No idea about eladrin, how was it reconciled in 5e? I don't see this as a big lore issue overall, but I am really not familiar with eladrin.</li> </ol>To be clear, I don't mean to say there aren't differences. My point is that despite what [USER=6677017]@Sword of Spirit[/USER] said, I think you can use all editions lore, not just 4e or everything else.  In fact, 5e often shows the path of how to combine them.</blockquote>

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