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<blockquote data-quote="NineLizards" data-source="post: 7816754" data-attributes="member: 7016117"><p>" It would be a really low moment for a player to say “naw, that’s not what happened. "</p><p></p><p>I was considering the different versions of the FR maps (<a href="https://ninelizardsblog.blogspot.com/2019/09/d-forgotten-realms-map-comparison.html" target="_blank">here</a>) which pose a similar... eh... dilemma.</p><p></p><p>But... it's easy. Do a little 'Corwin'...</p><p></p><p><strong>Corwin lied</strong></p><p></p><p>I always approach it like this: in Roger Zelazny's <em>Amber</em> books Corwin tells his story from his point of view. Avid readers have noticed some inconsistencies in his tales.</p><p></p><p>In the Amber role-playing game Erik Wuijck (the creator of the game based upon Amber) poses an interesting question: what if Corwin has been lying? It might have been mistakes, covering for other participants, embellishment of Corwin's tales, leaving out a few embarrassing facts... or outright lying, because why would he spill secrets you (as a mere Earth mortal) are not supposed to know?</p><p></p><p><strong>What if Elminster has been lying?</strong></p><p></p><p>What if Elminster has been lying? Why wouldn't he? His lines suggest he left out some of the more juicy (and dangerous) details. You could even claim it's canon <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="😈" title="Smiling face with horns :smiling_imp:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f608.png" data-shortname=":smiling_imp:" /></p><p></p><p>Hold on to that thought. What if all the paper versions we have are distortions of reality? That these are only an approach to the reality of the Forgotten Realms, of which we see some parts through a fogged and broken mirror? With a decent helping of misdirection, a heavy sauce of redaction, and a pinch of outright lies?</p><p></p><p>Oh deep thoughts!</p><p></p><p><strong>Which means what, exactly?</strong></p><p></p><p>For players: the DM is always right!</p><p></p><p>For DM's: how about throwing a curve ball at your players, those damned know-it-alls? Who cares if WOTC set an event at a specific date? Perhaps WOTC got it wrong. Perhaps Ed Greenwood misinterpreted Elminster's words. Perhaps it's all deliberately misleading...</p><p></p><p>So pick the parts you like from whatever edition you like, and ignore the timeline, changes, just change it to whatever you like, and have fun. Add a little Corwin <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="😇" title="Smiling face with halo :innocent:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f607.png" data-shortname=":innocent:" /> to your game... Swap Cormyr and Thay? Perhaps replace some do-gooder NPC with an evil counterpart? <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="😈" title="Smiling face with horns :smiling_imp:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f608.png" data-shortname=":smiling_imp:" /> So Elminster is, after all, one of the nine lords of Hell? Who knew!?! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite12" alt="o_O" title="Er... what? o_O" loading="lazy" data-shortname="o_O" /></p><p></p><p>So, my standard reply would be: "Seriously? You must have read that somewhere. And we all know it must be the truth, then. Right?" <insert appropriate evil cackling></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="NineLizards, post: 7816754, member: 7016117"] " It would be a really low moment for a player to say “naw, that’s not what happened. " I was considering the different versions of the FR maps ([URL='https://ninelizardsblog.blogspot.com/2019/09/d-forgotten-realms-map-comparison.html']here[/URL]) which pose a similar... eh... dilemma. But... it's easy. Do a little 'Corwin'... [B]Corwin lied[/B] I always approach it like this: in Roger Zelazny's [I]Amber[/I] books Corwin tells his story from his point of view. Avid readers have noticed some inconsistencies in his tales. In the Amber role-playing game Erik Wuijck (the creator of the game based upon Amber) poses an interesting question: what if Corwin has been lying? It might have been mistakes, covering for other participants, embellishment of Corwin's tales, leaving out a few embarrassing facts... or outright lying, because why would he spill secrets you (as a mere Earth mortal) are not supposed to know? [B]What if Elminster has been lying?[/B] What if Elminster has been lying? Why wouldn't he? His lines suggest he left out some of the more juicy (and dangerous) details. You could even claim it's canon 😈 Hold on to that thought. What if all the paper versions we have are distortions of reality? That these are only an approach to the reality of the Forgotten Realms, of which we see some parts through a fogged and broken mirror? With a decent helping of misdirection, a heavy sauce of redaction, and a pinch of outright lies? Oh deep thoughts! [B]Which means what, exactly?[/B] For players: the DM is always right! For DM's: how about throwing a curve ball at your players, those damned know-it-alls? Who cares if WOTC set an event at a specific date? Perhaps WOTC got it wrong. Perhaps Ed Greenwood misinterpreted Elminster's words. Perhaps it's all deliberately misleading... So pick the parts you like from whatever edition you like, and ignore the timeline, changes, just change it to whatever you like, and have fun. Add a little Corwin 😇 to your game... Swap Cormyr and Thay? Perhaps replace some do-gooder NPC with an evil counterpart? 😈 So Elminster is, after all, one of the nine lords of Hell? Who knew!?! o_O So, my standard reply would be: "Seriously? You must have read that somewhere. And we all know it must be the truth, then. Right?" <insert appropriate evil cackling> [/QUOTE]
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