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<blockquote data-quote="PMárk" data-source="post: 7816801" data-attributes="member: 6804619"><p>I never really got that complaint and why some people are so allergic to "canon" lore. Yeah, things are happening in the world, people do things. If you want to tell a story with your characters particiapting in thsoe already written stories, you could incorporate them and you could change the story, the named NPCs involvement, etc. </p><p></p><p>Players, who are "lore-lawyering" are missing the point, IMO and I never did that, despite liking detailed worlds, with lots of canon lore. </p><p></p><p>Also, there's the other boogeyman for many people: the named characters. As if having heroes outside of the players in the world would make them instantly insignificant and supporting cast for those NPcs. No. Just like Elminster's words said in the 3e CSG, even the big fish can't be everywhere and do everything and they constatnly have to keep an eye on each other. I mean, Drizzt himself wasn't present at most of the really important events. Elminster, or Khelben wasn't present at other events. FR is a big world and those characters have more than enough on their hands.</p><p></p><p>If a GM constantly parades around those named, high-level NPCs and the players always feel they're just cheerleaders, well, that's the GM's fault.</p><p></p><p>So what if you have a run-in with Elminster? If you're on a lower level, it'd be likely short, he'd give some cryptic advice passing by, or a quest. If it's higher level and you're at some serious calamity? Doesn't mean Elminster would be there too, or any of the others, and if one, or some would, wouldn't be awesome to fight side-by-side with the greatest heroes you've read in the books? It's very different than them solving the problems instead of the players.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PMárk, post: 7816801, member: 6804619"] I never really got that complaint and why some people are so allergic to "canon" lore. Yeah, things are happening in the world, people do things. If you want to tell a story with your characters particiapting in thsoe already written stories, you could incorporate them and you could change the story, the named NPCs involvement, etc. Players, who are "lore-lawyering" are missing the point, IMO and I never did that, despite liking detailed worlds, with lots of canon lore. Also, there's the other boogeyman for many people: the named characters. As if having heroes outside of the players in the world would make them instantly insignificant and supporting cast for those NPcs. No. Just like Elminster's words said in the 3e CSG, even the big fish can't be everywhere and do everything and they constatnly have to keep an eye on each other. I mean, Drizzt himself wasn't present at most of the really important events. Elminster, or Khelben wasn't present at other events. FR is a big world and those characters have more than enough on their hands. If a GM constantly parades around those named, high-level NPCs and the players always feel they're just cheerleaders, well, that's the GM's fault. So what if you have a run-in with Elminster? If you're on a lower level, it'd be likely short, he'd give some cryptic advice passing by, or a quest. If it's higher level and you're at some serious calamity? Doesn't mean Elminster would be there too, or any of the others, and if one, or some would, wouldn't be awesome to fight side-by-side with the greatest heroes you've read in the books? It's very different than them solving the problems instead of the players. [/QUOTE]
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