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<blockquote data-quote="Hawk Diesel" data-source="post: 7902968" data-attributes="member: 59848">I'm not saying that barbarians can't use ranged weapons. I'm saying that none of their core class abilities support their being able to use class abilities with such weapons. You cannot apply rage damage bonus or reckless attack to a ranged attack, even when made with a thrown weapon. To me, not only does that seem silly, but it makes combat less fun for that player if they feel like they can't meaningfully contribute in an encounter.With what I'm proposing, attacks made with thrown weapons are still sub-optimal, but they allow a player to feel like they can contribute in an encounter when they are prepared to do so.And you know what? This may not be your cup of tea, [USER=6716779]@Zardnaar[/USER]. That's fine. No one is forcing you to adopt it or agree. But rather than pointing out that barbarians or paladins can use ranged weapons (which no one is debating because clearly they can), what I think would be more helpful is a discussion of what unintended effects this might have regarding balance concerns. Class or feat combinations that would potentially break the game if thrown weapon attacks counted as melee attacks.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hawk Diesel, post: 7902968, member: 59848"] I'm not saying that barbarians can't use ranged weapons. I'm saying that none of their core class abilities support their being able to use class abilities with such weapons. You cannot apply rage damage bonus or reckless attack to a ranged attack, even when made with a thrown weapon. To me, not only does that seem silly, but it makes combat less fun for that player if they feel like they can't meaningfully contribute in an encounter. With what I'm proposing, attacks made with thrown weapons are still sub-optimal, but they allow a player to feel like they can contribute in an encounter when they are prepared to do so. And you know what? This may not be your cup of tea, [USER=6716779]@Zardnaar[/USER]. That's fine. No one is forcing you to adopt it or agree. But rather than pointing out that barbarians or paladins can use ranged weapons (which no one is debating because clearly they can), what I think would be more helpful is a discussion of what unintended effects this might have regarding balance concerns. Class or feat combinations that would potentially break the game if thrown weapon attacks counted as melee attacks. [/QUOTE]

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