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Message: <blockquote data-quote="n00bdragon" data-source="post: 5887164" data-attributes="member: 6689371">Everyone in this topic has missed the biggest reason Vancian casting is overpowered and can never be balanced: It's easy to print more and better spells.Face it, WotC is in the business of selling books. This isn't a bad thing at all. I love splat books. However, since a spell or power or other modularized piece of character-ability-power-function-box-o-crunch in a text box is easy to portion out and easy to create without pages of justifying or supporting material (or really any at all) they tend to get made by the truckload and appear in books not even slightly intended for wizards. Complete Fighter? Add some new spells to fill out those last few pages. Complete Wizard? Half the book is spells.I'm not saying books like those shouldn't be made (they WILL, no one can seriously believe for a second that they won't) but combine the fact that the ulimited-book casters (those who have access to nearly every new arcane/divine spell) get new goodies in every book with the fact that these outlier books often do not have oversight or playtesting that core does and simply using errata to nerf to extremely problem spells is like crushing air bubbles in wall paper. 4e dealt with this problem by giving that printability to all classes, so in Martial Power when they have another page to fill they can add another fighter power or two in the same way you could a spell. That way if things are going to get broken at least everyone is allowed to be just as broken.This is just an innate quality of vancian the vancian magic system as it's been implemented pre-4e. If they want to do away with it they MUST do away with unlimited-book casters so that options can be carefully balanced.</blockquote>

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