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<blockquote data-quote="Garnfellow" data-source="post: 678697" data-attributes="member: 1223">As I paged through my copy of the Monster Manual II, I lighted upon the&nbsp; Devil, Malebranche. Here's just a sample of the stats on this brute:Huge Outsider; HD 16d8+ 96; HP 168; AC 24; Melee huge masterwork trident +25/+20/+15/+10 (2d8+15) and gore +22 (2d6+5); SA charge, fear aura, improved grab; SQ baatezu traits, DR 25/+2, regeneration 8, SR 20.And this all adds up to a whopping CR of . . . 9? Given the HD, damage potential, DR, SR, and regeneration, to me this 9 CR screams DANGER WILL ROBINSON, DANGER!Exhibit 1: Within the last week I ran a series of playtests on a monster of my own (the Dolorous Worm, detailed over in the Homebrew forum) -- a 16 HD magical beast with the fiendish template. The Worm's stats are in line or somewhat weaker than with the Malebranche, but I consistently arrived at a CR 12 for the lowly Worm.Exhibit 2: The devils in the MMI are probably not a good check on CRs, especially given what we've seen of the 3.5 Pit Fiend. But the Manual of the Planes has the Goristro, a 16 HD Huge demon very similar in power to the Malebranche, with a CR of 13.Does anyone know if WotC has issued any errata on the Malebranche? A CR of 9 seems criminally low, and my guess is that a better number would be somewhere around 13. Or am I missing something here?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Garnfellow, post: 678697, member: 1223"] As I paged through my copy of the Monster Manual II, I lighted upon the Devil, Malebranche. Here's just a sample of the stats on this brute: Huge Outsider; HD 16d8+ 96; HP 168; AC 24; Melee huge masterwork trident +25/+20/+15/+10 (2d8+15) and gore +22 (2d6+5); SA charge, fear aura, improved grab; SQ baatezu traits, DR 25/+2, regeneration 8, SR 20. And this all adds up to a whopping CR of . . . 9? Given the HD, damage potential, DR, SR, and regeneration, to me this 9 CR screams DANGER WILL ROBINSON, DANGER! Exhibit 1: Within the last week I ran a series of playtests on a monster of my own (the Dolorous Worm, detailed over in the Homebrew forum) -- a 16 HD magical beast with the fiendish template. The Worm's stats are in line or somewhat weaker than with the Malebranche, but I consistently arrived at a CR 12 for the lowly Worm. Exhibit 2: The devils in the MMI are probably not a good check on CRs, especially given what we've seen of the 3.5 Pit Fiend. But the Manual of the Planes has the Goristro, a 16 HD Huge demon very similar in power to the Malebranche, with a CR of 13. Does anyone know if WotC has issued any errata on the Malebranche? A CR of 9 seems criminally low, and my guess is that a better number would be somewhere around 13. Or am I missing something here? [/QUOTE]

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