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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Set" data-source="post: 4357606" data-attributes="member: 41584">Opinions vary on that. We had corporal punishment in the public schools in Oklahoma, a very 'Bible Belt' sort of place, and the punishment I got for getting up to help someone get her window down when the bus was in motion was 50 'licks' with a wooden paddle, administered by the principal, since the bus driver, like many of the women at the school, didn't think that women hit hard enough to make an impression on eight year old boys. I have no idea how this works on other people, but it just taught me to disrespect people who are in authority, and hold them in contempt, since they just bullied and abused weaker people.  Had I been bigger and stronger, I would have probably hit them back and ended up in juvie or being drowned in a bathtub in some failed attempt to exorcise the evil spirits that were making me 'disobedient.' We've got a politically powerful religious leader in this country publishing books on how to discipline children 'without leaving marks' so that social services doesn't 'interfere,' how to discipline so that she 'submits to your headship' and suggesting having children shower with you so that they can touch and admire your genitals.  Tens of thousands of Americans send this creature money and will vote the way he endorses, so I totally get why non-Americans think this country endorses violence towards children, given that so many of us do.</blockquote>