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<blockquote data-quote="FreeXenon" data-source="post: 2871789" data-attributes="member: 6228">I have tried something similar in a short game with my group, but the method was a little bit different. To be a spell caster you had to take a feat which unlocked the skills Spell Craft and either Knowledge (Arcana) or Knowledge (Religion). Once they had a certain amount of ranks in one of the Knowledges and Spell craft they could take a spell casting class. The average first level of a spell casting class was 10th level. If another feat was taken your could start taking your first level of a spell casting class by about 7th. This method was very similar to a prestige class.My players found this a great challenge and we have one player that sunk his feats to be able to start as a caster by 7th. He is the type of player that will take a concept or class combination that sucks or is challenging and make it work just because he can.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> These type modifications really changes the dynamics of the game. Casters become very, very rare as you have to be much higher to to be able to get flashy effects such as invisibility and Fireball. Healing and buffing are a precious commodity even more so than they were before. Magic is very rare and most likely casters in the world are a very special, elite and secretive breed either hunted or worshiped. As long as you keep in mind the changes to not having strong caster support and are consistent with the NPC's as well to maintain a the feel for the campaign it can work well. If your players are not up to challenges like this it could really backfire.Good luck!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FreeXenon, post: 2871789, member: 6228"] I have tried something similar in a short game with my group, but the method was a little bit different. To be a spell caster you had to take a feat which unlocked the skills Spell Craft and either Knowledge (Arcana) or Knowledge (Religion). Once they had a certain amount of ranks in one of the Knowledges and Spell craft they could take a spell casting class. The average first level of a spell casting class was 10th level. If another feat was taken your could start taking your first level of a spell casting class by about 7th. This method was very similar to a prestige class. My players found this a great challenge and we have one player that sunk his feats to be able to start as a caster by 7th. He is the type of player that will take a concept or class combination that sucks or is challenging and make it work just because he can. :) These type modifications really changes the dynamics of the game. Casters become very, very rare as you have to be much higher to to be able to get flashy effects such as invisibility and Fireball. Healing and buffing are a precious commodity even more so than they were before. Magic is very rare and most likely casters in the world are a very special, elite and secretive breed either hunted or worshiped. As long as you keep in mind the changes to not having strong caster support and are consistent with the NPC's as well to maintain a the feel for the campaign it can work well. If your players are not up to challenges like this it could really backfire. Good luck! [/QUOTE]

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