Maneuvers and Stance confusion, please help

[Azeal]

Hi, new to the forums. I've been playing with the same people for about 10 years, starting w/ 2.0. We're running a 3.5 campaign now, and I'm trying out a Warblade. As I was reading through the Maneuvers and Stances section on page 39 of the Book of Nine Swords, I came across a passage under Initiator Level which reads the following:

"As you attain higher levels, you usually use your low-level maneuvers less often (if you haven't already traded them out for higher-level stances, as described in the martial adept class descriptions in Chapter 1)."

Now, when I read in the Warblade Stances Known section page 22, the last small paragraph reads:

"Unlike with maneuvers, you cannot learn a new stance at higher levels in place of one you already know."

But it doesn't say anything about trading maneuvers for stances. In one place it says I can, but in the other, I can't. I'm hoping some of you can clarify or help me understand.

Azeal

PS: is there really no Search function in the forums, or am I just blind?

 

[blargney the second]

1) You can't trade maneuvers for stances - they're separate class features.
2) Community supporters of EN World can use the search function, which is totally worth the peanuts for the price of admission. In the meantime, site-restricted google searches are your friend.

 

[Arkhandus]

What he said.

Yeah, maneuvers and stances really are separate things; the ONLY purpose for which Stances count as Maneuvers is for purposes of meeting the prerequisites of other Maneuvers and Stances; so Stance of Clarity counts as a Diamond Mind maneuver for purposes of meeting the prerequisites for, say, Emerald Razor or Ruby Nightmare Blade or Pearl of Black Doubt.

The book has some typos, like every single Wizards of the Coast product for D&D/d20. That's all.

 

[NINJAWIZARD]

Well then I'll wait till 5th lvl before choosing my 2nd stance. Thanks for the info, guys. I had a sneaking suspicion that it was a typo.

Huh, guess I was already registered with this forum name... I am Azeal!

 

[moritheil]

Welcome to the boards, no matter how many personalities you may have.

 

[Arkhandus]

Well, keep in mind that you can't delay getting a new maneuver or stance known; you learn them at exactly the levels listed.

This is what the Martial Stance feat is useful for, though, to get more stances known when you want them; my halfling rogue/swordsage took MS (Assassin's Stance) as his 6th-level feat to make up for his multiclass combo delaying his access to 3rd-level stances, because Assassin's Stance was such a great stance for him to use.

 

[Elethiomel]

In my campaigns that include Bo9S, all B09S base classes get adjusted stance learning points to better fit with the levels new stances appear at.