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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 7958197" data-attributes="member: 93670">Fate is a great system. But d&amp;d is massively defined in ways that make importing things related to the fractal quite difficult in a player facing form.&nbsp; There are a couple versions of fate tightly implemented in Dresden files and mindjammer&nbsp; but even&nbsp; the dramatically more structured mindjammer&nbsp; would be difficult to import to d&amp;d. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOFXtAHg7vU" target="_blank">This</a> with wil wheaton Felecia day &amp; some of the writers for shows like leverage might be one of if not the best example of fategameplay in motion for howing just how starkly different fate is from d&amp;d. I ran/run a lot of d&amp;d over the years, but also ran a semiopen dresden files (early fate) game at a flgs for about a year &amp;&nbsp; various settings in fate core for almost as long. D&amp;d works just great in an adversarial gm vrs player or even gm dictates players react railroad but in fate it's a disaster if everyone is not onboard with&nbsp; engaging in a shared narrative.&nbsp; <a href="https://mindjammerpress.com/mindjammer/" target="_blank">Mindammer</a> weighs in at just shy of 500 pages* for what is probably the most d&amp;d-like version of fate &amp; even then it can't really do adversarial gmvrs players or function with players that are entirely reactive.That last bit about fate requiring proactive involves players interested in pushing a shared narrative is the part that makes translating parts of fate like character aspects to d&amp;d as a player facing resource.&nbsp; Fate is a great tool to employ behind the screen as a gm using things like high concept/trouble/aspects to juggle all the people places and groups in your head &amp; how they might react when the players do $unexpectedThing.d&amp;d is too hard coded for fate style aspects to really fit well.&nbsp; Take &quot;The room is on fire&quot;&gt;&quot;I have a cantrop that lets me put out a 5 foot cube or snuff a campfire up to...&quot;.&nbsp; How do&nbsp; you model something like superman's &quot;stronger than a locomotive&quot; aspect when his strength is 32(+12) &amp; that 32 is hardcoded into how everything that might rely on strength will work? (I don't think you can)Someone mentioned it earlier how inspiration is a poor fit for fate style compels &amp; I generally agree with the discussion around that earlier.&nbsp; [spoiler=&quot;Hero points(the DMG version)&quot;] [ATTACH=full]120574[/ATTACH][/spoiler]work better, but even if restricted to only gain them on approved compels they are still too easy to game&nbsp; like the ad&amp;d traits &amp; flaws table where your 3 dex 18/100 strength fighter picks a -2 to every range attack he will never make &amp; gets +1 to melee attacks or similar.* as opposed to fate core's 300ish</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 7958197, member: 93670"] Fate is a great system. But d&d is massively defined in ways that make importing things related to the fractal quite difficult in a player facing form. There are a couple versions of fate tightly implemented in Dresden files and mindjammer but even the dramatically more structured mindjammer would be difficult to import to d&d. [URL='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOFXtAHg7vU']This[/URL] with wil wheaton Felecia day & some of the writers for shows like leverage might be one of if not the best example of fategameplay in motion for howing just how starkly different fate is from d&d. I ran/run a lot of d&d over the years, but also ran a semiopen dresden files (early fate) game at a flgs for about a year & various settings in fate core for almost as long. D&d works just great in an adversarial gm vrs player or even gm dictates players react railroad but in fate it's a disaster if everyone is not onboard with engaging in a shared narrative. [URL='https://mindjammerpress.com/mindjammer/']Mindammer[/URL] weighs in at just shy of 500 pages* for what is probably the most d&d-like version of fate & even then it can't really do adversarial gmvrs players or function with players that are entirely reactive. That last bit about fate requiring proactive involves players interested in pushing a shared narrative is the part that makes translating parts of fate like character aspects to d&d as a player facing resource. Fate is a great tool to employ[I] behind the screen[/I] as a gm using things like high concept/trouble/aspects to juggle all the people places and groups in your head & how they might react when the players do $unexpectedThing. d&d is too hard coded for fate style aspects to really fit well. Take "The room is on fire">"I have a cantrop that lets me put out a 5 foot cube or snuff a campfire up to...". How do you model something like superman's "stronger than a locomotive" aspect when his strength is 32(+12) & that 32 is hardcoded into how everything that might rely on strength will work? (I don't think you can) Someone mentioned it earlier how inspiration is a poor fit for fate style compels & I generally agree with the discussion around that earlier. [spoiler="Hero points(the DMG version)"] [ATTACH type="full"]120574[/ATTACH][/spoiler] work better, but even if restricted to only gain them on approved compels they are still too easy to game like the ad&d traits & flaws table where your 3 dex 18/100 strength fighter picks a -2 to every range attack he will never make & gets +1 to melee attacks or similar. * as opposed to fate core's 300ish [/QUOTE]

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