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<blockquote data-quote="Cadfan" data-source="post: 4459689" data-attributes="member: 40961">Which sort of answer do you want?If you want an answer by the rules, nothing explicitly says he should know.&nbsp; Nothing explicitly says he should know when he's being poisoned to death, either, if that poisoning occurs outside the context of a power or &quot;condition,&quot; whatever the heck that is.&nbsp; So from a rules perspective, I'd argue that its better to adhere to the generally applicable rule (monsters know the effect of things done to them, attacking the monster imposed a restriction on the monster, and they know about it), rather than to turn a class ability into an ultra-rare &quot;gotcha&quot; ability sans clear indication that its the right thing to do.&nbsp; And I don't think the fact that it isn't in a power block is clear indication of this, anymore than I think that about other penalties and disadvantages imposed by non-power abilities like many of those possessed by Paladin paragon paths.&nbsp; I also think that the Fighter's marking abilities and their attendant consequences, since they trigger based on the Fighter's use of an attack power and augment that attack power, fit under the rubric of attack powers and monster knowledge much better than they fit under the rubric of a generally applicable triggered ability like that of your Colossus.If you want an answer from within the game-world, its this: I do not think you can separate &quot;marked&quot; from &quot;marked and going to be attacked if the following occurs.&quot;Suppose you have two characters, twins, identically outfitted with gear.&nbsp; One is a Fighter.&nbsp; The other is a NPC soldier who can mark his foes when he attacks them.Each is fighting one orc.&nbsp; Each attacks their orc, and therefore both mark their orc.Now there's two ways to envision this.&nbsp; The first is that both characters have done exactly the same thing to the orc.&nbsp; Their attack and their combat prowess are indistinguishable, up until the moment that the orcs each shift one space.&nbsp; At that moment, the fighter lashes out and attacks the orc.&nbsp; The NPC soldier does not.Or, you could envision that the fighter is attacking and harrying his foe in a flat out different way than the npc soldier, or at least in the same way but with noticeably more confidence.I think the latter makes more sense.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cadfan, post: 4459689, member: 40961"] Which sort of answer do you want? If you want an answer by the rules, nothing explicitly says he should know. Nothing explicitly says he should know when he's being poisoned to death, either, if that poisoning occurs outside the context of a power or "condition," whatever the heck that is. So from a rules perspective, I'd argue that its better to adhere to the generally applicable rule (monsters know the effect of things done to them, attacking the monster imposed a restriction on the monster, and they know about it), rather than to turn a class ability into an ultra-rare "gotcha" ability sans clear indication that its the right thing to do. And I don't think the fact that it isn't in a power block is clear indication of this, anymore than I think that about other penalties and disadvantages imposed by non-power abilities like many of those possessed by Paladin paragon paths. I also think that the Fighter's marking abilities and their attendant consequences, since they trigger based on the Fighter's use of an attack power and augment that attack power, fit under the rubric of attack powers and monster knowledge much better than they fit under the rubric of a generally applicable triggered ability like that of your Colossus. If you want an answer from within the game-world, its this: I do not think you can separate "marked" from "marked and going to be attacked if the following occurs." Suppose you have two characters, twins, identically outfitted with gear. One is a Fighter. The other is a NPC soldier who can mark his foes when he attacks them. Each is fighting one orc. Each attacks their orc, and therefore both mark their orc. Now there's two ways to envision this. The first is that both characters have done exactly the same thing to the orc. Their attack and their combat prowess are indistinguishable, up until the moment that the orcs each shift one space. At that moment, the fighter lashes out and attacks the orc. The NPC soldier does not. Or, you could envision that the fighter is attacking and harrying his foe in a flat out different way than the npc soldier, or at least in the same way but with noticeably more confidence. I think the latter makes more sense. [/QUOTE]

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