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<blockquote data-quote="eamon" data-source="post: 5558628" data-attributes="member: 51942"><p>Not quite - a creature knows what a power has done <em>to it</em>. It knows about imposed conditions such as the mark condition - it does <em>not</em> (by RAW) know about effects of the power which don't affect it.</p><p></p><p>So, it <em>certainly</em> does not automatically know that a swordmage aegis grants the defender extra abilities - those are effects on the defender, not the marked creature. It also certainly would not know about a fighter's combat challenge (barring in-game exceptions).</p><p></p><p>The paladin's mark isn't <em>quite</em> as clearcut. Certainly, the paladin's mark punishment affects it, and it knows about it if it is affected. However, a paladin's punishment doesn't necessarily kick in at all, so the argument could be made that it knows of the effect (the damage) once it is affected; i.e. at the moment it is damaged, and not before. However, a probably more reasonable interpretation is that the conditional damage is itself an effect applicable to it; the monster thus knows about it.</p><p></p><p>But in general, affected creatures don't know the effects of powers, they only know the effect the power has <em>on them</em>. Note that this is also a practical distinction; a player (including the DM) needs to know how to resolve an effect on his PC/creature, so making that information explicitly available to the PC/creature avoids a class of metagame headaches. By contrast other effects are just a distraction - sometimes a tactically interesting distraction, but usually not.</p><p></p><p>E.g. in the case of marks; it is fairly reasonable to assume there's <em>some</em> extra penalty, and the creature doesn't really need to know the details to want to avoid the risk, if possible.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="eamon, post: 5558628, member: 51942"] Not quite - a creature knows what a power has done [I]to it[/I]. It knows about imposed conditions such as the mark condition - it does [I]not[/I] (by RAW) know about effects of the power which don't affect it. So, it [I]certainly[/I] does not automatically know that a swordmage aegis grants the defender extra abilities - those are effects on the defender, not the marked creature. It also certainly would not know about a fighter's combat challenge (barring in-game exceptions). The paladin's mark isn't [I]quite[/I] as clearcut. Certainly, the paladin's mark punishment affects it, and it knows about it if it is affected. However, a paladin's punishment doesn't necessarily kick in at all, so the argument could be made that it knows of the effect (the damage) once it is affected; i.e. at the moment it is damaged, and not before. However, a probably more reasonable interpretation is that the conditional damage is itself an effect applicable to it; the monster thus knows about it. But in general, affected creatures don't know the effects of powers, they only know the effect the power has [I]on them[/I]. Note that this is also a practical distinction; a player (including the DM) needs to know how to resolve an effect on his PC/creature, so making that information explicitly available to the PC/creature avoids a class of metagame headaches. By contrast other effects are just a distraction - sometimes a tactically interesting distraction, but usually not. E.g. in the case of marks; it is fairly reasonable to assume there's [I]some[/I] extra penalty, and the creature doesn't really need to know the details to want to avoid the risk, if possible. [/QUOTE]
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