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<blockquote data-quote="Locutus Zero" data-source="post: 5587051" data-attributes="member: 100080">To add to what DracoSuave said, I feel like there is a pretty clear line between an attack with multiple attack rolls and doing multiple attacks in one action.Let's say a monster swings with his claw, cuts through one guy and hits another.&nbsp; That will be statted as a single attack with 1 or 2 targets.&nbsp; If he uses his claw to swing at one guy, pulls his arm back, and does the same thing again, that's going to be statted as &quot;use your claw attack twice&quot; (with the claw attack being a basic melee).The only time you are making two attacks in a single action is when a power says &quot;make a second attack&quot; or &quot;use your dagger attack twice&quot;.I feel like the OP is treating marks as some game breaking thing.&nbsp; Marks are what defenders do, let them do it.&nbsp; Barring the odd poorly designed monster, monsters are statted with the knowledge that defenders exist.There may be table rules some people are following, but RAW is pretty clear about what marks do and what counts as including someone in an attack.&nbsp; I don't see a good reason to go against RAW on this.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Locutus Zero, post: 5587051, member: 100080"] To add to what DracoSuave said, I feel like there is a pretty clear line between an attack with multiple attack rolls and doing multiple attacks in one action. Let's say a monster swings with his claw, cuts through one guy and hits another. That will be statted as a single attack with 1 or 2 targets. If he uses his claw to swing at one guy, pulls his arm back, and does the same thing again, that's going to be statted as "use your claw attack twice" (with the claw attack being a basic melee). The only time you are making two attacks in a single action is when a power says "make a second attack" or "use your dagger attack twice". I feel like the OP is treating marks as some game breaking thing. Marks are what defenders do, let them do it. Barring the odd poorly designed monster, monsters are statted with the knowledge that defenders exist. There may be table rules some people are following, but RAW is pretty clear about what marks do and what counts as including someone in an attack. I don't see a good reason to go against RAW on this. [/QUOTE]

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