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<blockquote data-quote="airwalkrr" data-source="post: 2979638" data-attributes="member: 12460">Everyone who says the marshal is a weak class is wrong. I have seen the marshal played many times in many ways and it is horridly abusable. The biggest problem is the comparative benefit for a dip. There is no good reason for a bard, paladin, or sorcerer to NOT take a level of marshal, for the initiative bonus if nothing else. If the PCs all win initiative more consistently, they drastically alter the odds of the battle in their favor, especially at high levels where the winner gets to drop the &quot;bombs&quot; first so to speak.I have seen marshals played in three campaigns as a single class. I have seen at least four players in various campaigns &quot;dip&quot; into one or two levels of marshal. I have never seen it be anything but grossly powerful. Unless your Charisma sucks, this class is might indeed. My best guess is that those who say it &quot;looks weak&quot; have never actually seen it in play and beheld the awesome cheesiness that it is.Not to say it is a bad class; it just needs some minor tweaks. If the minor aura were not based solely on the marshal's Charisma modifier, that would probably fix a majority of problems with the class.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="airwalkrr, post: 2979638, member: 12460"] Everyone who says the marshal is a weak class is wrong. I have seen the marshal played many times in many ways and it is horridly abusable. The biggest problem is the comparative benefit for a dip. There is no good reason for a bard, paladin, or sorcerer to NOT take a level of marshal, for the initiative bonus if nothing else. If the PCs all win initiative more consistently, they drastically alter the odds of the battle in their favor, especially at high levels where the winner gets to drop the "bombs" first so to speak. I have seen marshals played in three campaigns as a single class. I have seen at least four players in various campaigns "dip" into one or two levels of marshal. I have never seen it be anything but grossly powerful. Unless your Charisma sucks, this class is might indeed. My best guess is that those who say it "looks weak" have never actually seen it in play and beheld the awesome cheesiness that it is. Not to say it is a bad class; it just needs some minor tweaks. If the minor aura were not based solely on the marshal's Charisma modifier, that would probably fix a majority of problems with the class. [/QUOTE]

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