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<blockquote data-quote="Binho" data-source="post: 5751103" data-attributes="member: 6674967">Here we go again: my last attempt to make a build was questionable and really debatable. This time I come with a build that involves monk and wizard classes. I would like the opinion of the martial arcanists lovers to rate it and advise better feats, levels or prestige classes, to make it stronger or, at least, not so inferior to other common builds. I'm considering this weak and I would appreciate any help.[FONT=&amp;quot]monk 2, wizard 4, enlighted fist 4, abjurant champion 5, dragon slayer 1, swiftblade 3, spellsword 1;&nbsp; BAB + 16/+11/+6/+1;&nbsp; Fort+11 , Ref+12, Will+22,&nbsp; CL 16[/FONT]&nbsp; &nbsp; [FONT=&amp;quot]Human, Str 17 (+3), Dex 17 (+3), Con 16 (+3), Int 18 (+4), Wis 8 (-1), Cha 8 (-1);[/FONT][FONT=&amp;quot]Level 1: Monk 1;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BAB +0;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Fort +2, Ref +2, Will +2;&nbsp;&nbsp; Feat: dodge, carmedine monk[/FONT]&nbsp; &nbsp; [FONT=&amp;quot]Level 2: Monk 2;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; BAB +1;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Fort +3, Ref +3, Will +3;[/FONT] [FONT=&amp;quot]Level 3: Wizard 1;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BAB +1;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Fort +3, Ref +3, Will +5;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Feat: combat casting[/FONT][FONT=&amp;quot]Level 4: Wizard 2;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; BAB +2;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Fort +3, Ref +3, Will +6; [/FONT]&nbsp; [FONT=&amp;quot]Level 5: Wizard 3;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BAB +2;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Fort +4, Ref +4, Will +6; [/FONT]&nbsp; [FONT=&amp;quot]Level 6: Wizard 4;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BAB +3;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Fort +4, Ref +4, Will +7;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Feat: mobility[/FONT]&nbsp; [FONT=&amp;quot]Level 7: Enlighted Fist 1;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BAB +3;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Fort +4, Ref +6, Will +9; [/FONT]&nbsp; [FONT=&amp;quot]Level 8: [/FONT][FONT=&amp;quot]Enlighted Fist[/FONT][FONT=&amp;quot] 2;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; BAB +4;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Fort +4, Ref +7, Will +10; [/FONT]&nbsp; [FONT=&amp;quot]Level 9: [/FONT][FONT=&amp;quot]Enlighted Fist[/FONT][FONT=&amp;quot] 3;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; BAB +5;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Fort +5, Ref +7, Will +10;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Feat: travel devotion[/FONT]&nbsp; [FONT=&amp;quot]Level 10: [/FONT][FONT=&amp;quot]Enlighted Fist[/FONT][FONT=&amp;quot] 4;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; BAB +6;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Fort +5, Ref +8, Will +11; [/FONT]&nbsp; [FONT=&amp;quot]Level 11: Swiftblade 1;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BAB +7;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Fort +5, Ref +10, Will +13; [/FONT]&nbsp; [FONT=&amp;quot]Level 12: Swiftblade 2;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BAB +8;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Fort +5, Ref +11, Will +14;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Feat:? [/FONT]&nbsp;&nbsp; [FONT=&amp;quot]Level 13: Swiftblade 3;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BAB +9;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Fort +6, Ref +11, Will +14; [/FONT]&nbsp; [FONT=&amp;quot]Level 14: Dragon Slayer 1;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; BAB +10;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Fort +8, Ref +11, Will +16; [/FONT]&nbsp; [FONT=&amp;quot]Level 15: Abjurant Champion 1;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BAB +11;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Fort +8, Ref +11, Will +18;&nbsp; &nbsp; Feat: ? [/FONT]&nbsp; [FONT=&amp;quot]Level 16: Abjurant Champion 2;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BAB +12;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Fort +8, Ref +11, Will +19; [/FONT]&nbsp; [FONT=&amp;quot]Level 17: Abjurant Champion 3;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BAB +13;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Fort +9, Ref +12, Will +19;[/FONT]&nbsp; [FONT=&amp;quot]Level 18: Abjurant Champion 4;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BAB +14;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Fort +9, Ref +12, Will +20;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Feat: ?[/FONT] &nbsp; [FONT=&amp;quot]Level 19: Abjurant Champion 5;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BAB +15;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Fort +9, Ref +12, Will +20;[/FONT]&nbsp; [FONT=&amp;quot]Level 20: Spellsword 1;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BAB +16;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Fort +11, Ref +12, Will +22;[/FONT]&nbsp; I'm not happy with the levels of Dragon Slayer and Spellsword, do you guys know any other PrC that would give CL and BAB+1?Oh, please, I prefer to avoid Incarnum, ToB and psyonics. Comments please!<img src="http://C:%5CUsers%5CFabio%5CDesktop" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /><img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=50488&amp;stc=1&amp;d=1323986357" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /><img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/C:%5CUsers%5CFabio%5CDesktop" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Binho, post: 5751103, member: 6674967"] Here we go again: my last attempt to make a build was questionable and really debatable. This time I come with a build that involves monk and wizard classes. I would like the opinion of the martial arcanists lovers to rate it and advise better feats, levels or prestige classes, to make it stronger or, at least, not so inferior to other common builds. I'm considering this weak and I would appreciate any help. [I][FONT=&quot]monk 2, wizard 4, enlighted fist 4, abjurant champion 5, dragon slayer 1, swiftblade 3, spellsword 1; BAB + 16/+11/+6/+1; Fort+11 , Ref+12, Will+22, CL 16[/FONT][/I] [FONT=&quot] Human, Str 17 (+3), Dex 17 (+3), Con 16 (+3), Int 18 (+4), Wis 8 (-1), Cha 8 (-1);[/FONT] [FONT=&quot] [B]Level 1:[/B] [COLOR=Yellow]Monk 1[/COLOR]; [COLOR=MediumTurquoise]BAB +0; Fort +2, Ref +2, Will +2[/COLOR]; Feat: dodge, carmedine monk[/FONT] [FONT=&quot] [B]Level 2:[/B] [COLOR=Yellow]Monk 2[/COLOR]; [COLOR=MediumTurquoise]BAB +1; Fort +3, Ref +3, Will +3[/COLOR];[/FONT] [FONT=&quot][B] Level 3:[/B] [COLOR=Yellow]Wizard 1[/COLOR]; [COLOR=MediumTurquoise]BAB +1; Fort +3, Ref +3, Will +5[/COLOR]; Feat: combat casting [/FONT][FONT=&quot][B]Level 4:[/B] [COLOR=Yellow]Wizard 2[/COLOR]; [COLOR=MediumTurquoise]BAB +2; Fort +3, Ref +3, Will +6[/COLOR]; [/FONT] [FONT=&quot][B]Level 5:[/B] [COLOR=Yellow]Wizard 3[/COLOR]; [COLOR=MediumTurquoise]BAB +2; Fort +4, Ref +4, Will +6[/COLOR]; [/FONT] [FONT=&quot][B]Level 6:[/B] [COLOR=Yellow]Wizard 4[/COLOR]; [COLOR=MediumTurquoise]BAB +3; Fort +4, Ref +4, Will +7[/COLOR]; Feat: mobility[/FONT] [FONT=&quot][B]Level 7:[/B] [COLOR=Yellow]Enlighted Fist 1[/COLOR]; [COLOR=MediumTurquoise]BAB +3; Fort +4, Ref +6, Will +9[/COLOR]; [/FONT] [FONT=&quot][B]Level 8:[/B] [/FONT][FONT=&quot][COLOR=Yellow]Enlighted Fist[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=&quot][COLOR=Yellow] 2[/COLOR]; [COLOR=MediumTurquoise]BAB +4; Fort +4, Ref +7, Will +10[/COLOR]; [/FONT] [FONT=&quot][B]Level 9:[/B] [/FONT][FONT=&quot][COLOR=Yellow]Enlighted Fist[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=&quot][COLOR=Yellow] 3[/COLOR]; [COLOR=MediumTurquoise]BAB +5; Fort +5, Ref +7, Will +10[/COLOR]; Feat: travel devotion[/FONT] [FONT=&quot][B]Level 10:[/B] [/FONT][FONT=&quot][COLOR=Yellow]Enlighted Fist[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=&quot][COLOR=Yellow] 4[/COLOR]; [COLOR=MediumTurquoise]BAB +6; Fort +5, Ref +8, Will +11[/COLOR]; [/FONT] [FONT=&quot][B]Level 11:[/B] [COLOR=Yellow]Swiftblade 1[/COLOR]; [COLOR=MediumTurquoise]BAB +7; Fort +5, Ref +10, Will +13[/COLOR]; [/FONT] [FONT=&quot][B]Level 12:[/B] [COLOR=Yellow]Swiftblade 2[/COLOR]; [COLOR=MediumTurquoise]BAB +8; Fort +5, Ref +11, Will +14[/COLOR]; Feat:? [/FONT] [FONT=&quot][B]Level 13:[/B] [COLOR=Yellow]Swiftblade 3[/COLOR]; [COLOR=MediumTurquoise]BAB +9; Fort +6, Ref +11, Will +14[/COLOR]; [/FONT] [FONT=&quot][B]Level 14:[/B] [COLOR=Yellow]Dragon Slayer 1[/COLOR]; [COLOR=MediumTurquoise]BAB +10; Fort +8, Ref +11, Will +16[/COLOR]; [/FONT] [FONT=&quot][B]Level 15:[/B] [COLOR=Yellow]Abjurant Champion 1[/COLOR]; [COLOR=MediumTurquoise]BAB +11; Fort +8, Ref +11, Will +18[/COLOR]; Feat: ? [/FONT] [FONT=&quot][B]Level 16:[/B] [COLOR=Yellow]Abjurant Champion 2[/COLOR]; [COLOR=MediumTurquoise]BAB +12; Fort +8, Ref +11, Will +19[/COLOR]; [/FONT] [FONT=&quot][B]Level 17:[/B] [COLOR=Yellow]Abjurant Champion 3[/COLOR]; [COLOR=MediumTurquoise]BAB +13; Fort +9, Ref +12, Will +19[/COLOR];[/FONT] [FONT=&quot][B]Level 18:[/B] [COLOR=Yellow]Abjurant Champion 4[/COLOR]; [COLOR=MediumTurquoise]BAB +14; Fort +9, Ref +12, Will +20[/COLOR]; Feat: ?[/FONT] [FONT=&quot][B]Level 19:[/B] [COLOR=Yellow]Abjurant Champion 5[/COLOR]; [COLOR=MediumTurquoise]BAB +15; Fort +9, Ref +12, Will +20[/COLOR];[/FONT] [FONT=&quot][B]Level 20:[/B] [COLOR=Yellow]Spellsword 1[/COLOR]; [COLOR=MediumTurquoise]BAB +16; Fort +11, Ref +12, Will +22[/COLOR];[/FONT] I'm not happy with the levels of Dragon Slayer and Spellsword, do you guys know any other PrC that would give CL and BAB+1? Oh, please, I prefer to avoid Incarnum, ToB and psyonics. Comments please! [IMG]http://C:%5CUsers%5CFabio%5CDesktop[/IMG][IMG]http://www.enworld.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=50488&stc=1&d=1323986357[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.enworld.org/forum/C:%5CUsers%5CFabio%5CDesktop[/IMG] [/QUOTE]

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