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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 712015" data-attributes="member: 5890">You'll lose. Your BAB is 3, versus the gunslinger's 9. You'll fail the disarm, and then he'll shoot you. Of course he IS CR13, versus a party level of about 1.However - there's something which people are missing here. A gun does 2d6 damage, more on a critical. If you shoot someone, you're quite likely to push them out the far side of dead. Nonlethal combat in d20 modern is ineffective at best, and certainly not useful when the other guy is trying to kill you.CMA is a nice middle ground.And of course there's legality issues, the fact that cma is all-but silent etc.Example: I just ran a 'first encounter with the shadow' episode. The one where the zombies attack the bus? I think one character, and only one character pulled out a gun and fired. And even then, they only fired a single shot.Why? Because shooting people in the middle of the street is not the sort of thing that most people will do.The gun-nut has a lot going against him at 1st level. The CMA also has a lot going against him.Oh, and there's also the fact that buying those two pistols would set you back some 4d6 wealth bonus. Are you sure you could afford the second one?</blockquote>