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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 8320317" data-attributes="member: 2629">You're implying that all fighters can do is grapple, knock prone and push enemies?  We already have spells that do all of these things.  However, fighters also get action surge.  A 1st level spell that allows the spellcaster to cast 2 spells on the same turn?  That would be called overpowered.Second wind: A first level spell cast as a bonus action that heals a wizard for 1d10+class level?  And can be cast when we cast other spells?I've played all of the classes except artificer for prolonged periods covering at least through level 13, and usually above 17.  THEY'RE ALL FUN.  THEY'RE ALL (at least) EFFECTIVE.  These threads are all ridiculous once you get a chance to play a diverse sample of 5E classes.  You'll see this is usually just a bunch of people saying "the grass is greener" about something else, or people that have DMs that build/rule to favor certain situations, or people that just don't know the rules.  Usually, but not always.</blockquote>