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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9649409" data-attributes="member: 7030563">That may be the distinction when you are white rooming it and talking about classes, but when you are talking about actual PCs I think it falls flat and PCs are what is played at the table.In play Eldritch Knights and Arcane Tricksters are pretty hard core casters at high level because of the abilities they have to give enemies disadvantage on saves almost at will.In the 2024 games I have seen, high level Eldritch Knights are typically built around Dissonant Whispers and Wrathful Smite from Fey Touched and Shadow Touched respectively and combining this with Action Surge, Trustrike, Green Flame Blade, Booming Blade and Warcaster.  This brings a tremendous amount of control to the table.It looks something like this --> action surge, green flame blade one guy, damage second guy, attack second guy, attack second guy, maybe nick attack second guy, Action Dissonant Whispers on first guy  (disadvantage on save), reaction attack on first guy, bonus action wrathful smite on first guy (disadvantage on save).  Now the guy is a full move away from you and frightened and can't move back closer.   The thing with the frightened guy is if you keep hitting him with one attack he keeps making his save at disadvantage.  You can do that exactly like that twice a day with free casts, after you burn your free casts you have to go to doing one or the other, but then you have push you can use instead of Dissonant Whispers - less effective without the disadvantage on the save and using a lower DC but with slightly more damage.Arcane Tricksters are typically built around Tasha's Hideous Laughter at high levels and mage hand at mid to high levels.</blockquote>

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