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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mach1.9pants" data-source="post: 4188577" data-attributes="member: 55946">@Icicle, if it bothers you don't let martial classes learn that feat, unless they multi-class first. I know one of my players will play a fighter, ranger or rogue in 4E. He always plays a non-magical character, which meant in 3E we never did high level play (cos they sucked) until Bo9S came out. I guarantee he will not take the ritual feat, it is not his characters style.Oh and 4E I can't see us playing epic either, for this reason. but we might give it a go.</blockquote>