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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7036116" data-attributes="member: 42582">I agree that the contrast with AD&D is huge.As you and [MENTION=996]Tony Vargas[/MENTION] are discussing, you can probably depart (at the risk of player disgruntlement, I guess) - and I think [MENTION=463]S'mon[/MENTION] has departed too. And I in my (still fairly new) Dark Sun game we will be using inherent bonuses, which means probably treasure will be much more haphazard than in my main 4e game.But there is another D&D tradition that has always had issues with the dungeoneering gamble approach: the sword gifted to the fighter by the hermit cleric in the Foreword to Moldvay Basic; the daisho of OA Samurai (and as best I remember it James Wyatt, in his 3E version of OA, essentially converted 3E's wealth-by-level guidelines into a system of treasure parcels for OA characters, to make the treasure system more consistent with the desired tropes); the elven cloaks gifted by Galadriel; etc.The fact that 4e just went ahead and did this (even if under a misleading heading), rather than faffing around with some sort of halfway house like wealth-by-level guidelines, I thnk is just another sign of the delibereatness and the crispness of its design. It knows what it wants to do, and it just does it!</blockquote>