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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 7947319" data-attributes="member: 12731"><p><em>This discussion revolves around low levels, maybe up to level 5-7 or so.</em></p><p></p><p>The message from my play experience is loud n clear: <strong>PF2 is definitely a throwback to the time before 5th Edition</strong> - martials are significantly stronger than casters at low levels.</p><p></p><p>This goes both for player characters and monsters/NPCs.</p><p></p><p>Some level 2 monsters with claws and spears and teeth and spikes are more like level 3 when it comes to their contribution to overall encounter difficulty. Some level 2 monsters with spells are more like level 1.</p><p></p><p>(Obviously a BBEG monster three levels above the heroes can do scary stuff with magic. Is that my point? No)</p><p></p><p>As the GM, casting a spell is almost always a step down compared to making a physical attack. Monsters have excellent attack bonuses and impressive damage. Their spells... are just as feeble as when cast by heroes. (I still have my spellcasting monsters cast their spells, of course. This isn't me complaining about weak monsters. PF2 is <em>not</em> a game where I complain about weak monsters <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> )</p><p></p><p>I'm aware some people like it that way. And I'm sure you can argue the tables turn at higher level. None of that's relevant. There's no need for excuses or justifications - I'm not attacking or complaining.</p><p></p><p>At this point I just want to throw it out there. <em>It simply is.</em> But it's worth making known to the wider audience. So let's discuss.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 7947319, member: 12731"] [I]This discussion revolves around low levels, maybe up to level 5-7 or so.[/I] The message from my play experience is loud n clear: [B]PF2 is definitely a throwback to the time before 5th Edition[/B] - martials are significantly stronger than casters at low levels. This goes both for player characters and monsters/NPCs. Some level 2 monsters with claws and spears and teeth and spikes are more like level 3 when it comes to their contribution to overall encounter difficulty. Some level 2 monsters with spells are more like level 1. (Obviously a BBEG monster three levels above the heroes can do scary stuff with magic. Is that my point? No) As the GM, casting a spell is almost always a step down compared to making a physical attack. Monsters have excellent attack bonuses and impressive damage. Their spells... are just as feeble as when cast by heroes. (I still have my spellcasting monsters cast their spells, of course. This isn't me complaining about weak monsters. PF2 is [I]not[/I] a game where I complain about weak monsters :) ) I'm aware some people like it that way. And I'm sure you can argue the tables turn at higher level. None of that's relevant. There's no need for excuses or justifications - I'm not attacking or complaining. At this point I just want to throw it out there. [I]It simply is.[/I] But it's worth making known to the wider audience. So let's discuss. [/QUOTE]
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