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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9683572" data-attributes="member: 7030563">IME they are dealing substantially more damage than Valor and Bladesinger from level 7 onward in the 2024 rules.  They also deal substantially more at level 5 and generally more at level 1-4.  Level 6 is the only level they are outdamaged by a single class Valor or Bladesinger IME.  I've seen EK played side-by-side against a 2024 Valor Bard and while we have not seen a Bladesinger in the 2024 rules, I saw a lot of them in 5E.  The lack of weapon masteries really nerfs these two subclasses weapon damage (and bladelocks) as compared to the true martial classes and if we start looking beyond damage the buff offered the fighter specifically by Tactical Mastery is even wider as compared to these two.I would also say EKs are better than Battlemaster and comparable to most Paladins when it comes to damage.  A lot of that varies by level and situationally game by game but in the 2024 games I have played they have generally done more damage than these two.  Trustrike's ability to change damage type to do Radiant damage with their most powerful attack on their attack action without using any resources is a pretty big buff compared the Battlemaster's basic kit and their ability to do it with any ranged weapon or thrown weapon at range is a substantial buff compared to a Paladin.</blockquote>