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<blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 8971934" data-attributes="member: 6802951"><p>Limited resources are <em>still </em>resources available to be used. If you want to compare what a class is capable of in a day of adventure, you need to base it on what a class is <em>actually</em> capable of. Not using spells and other abilities in the comparison would be as like comparing fighter and bladesinger performance where the fighter can't use weapons.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I would ask you to explain your reasoning. A Bladesinger needs Max Int, Dex and Con. A Fighter needs Max Str, Dex and Con. Therefore they will have the same Wisdom and Charisma given the same rolls. Both classes have 4 skills from class and background.</p><p>The Bladesinger can have 4 Int-based skills, each at +10. The Fighter can only have 1 skill at +10, and the other three will probably only be up to +7 at best.</p><p>Therefore the Bladesinger is objectively better than an equivalent fighter out of combat without using spells.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The initial discussion was purely about melee. If you want to shift the goal to ranged combat, I'm pretty sure that 13th level Bladesinger can still absolutely destroy the fighter's performance in a combat encounter if they choose to get serious about it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>"Without resorting to spells" - Why should they not need to spend their class resources in the same way that the fighter is spending their class resources?</p><p></p><p></p><p>As already pointed out to you a couple of times, they do not need the extra feats "to keep up". The entire point of the extra feats is to try to help the fighter "keep up" with the bladesinger and similar classes in overall adventuring performance.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I assure you that while your opinions and you yourself are being treated with all the respect they are due, it would be preferable if you didn't try to drag down the thread by starting an edition war.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Character concept is a thing, you know?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, this is actually a very good analogy comparing performance at basketball with performance at the challenges a D&D party have to face. You and LeBron James are going to be matched against other teams chosen to be at the same average basketball skill of the two of you.</p><p>How much fun do you think you are going to have?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cap'n Kobold, post: 8971934, member: 6802951"] Limited resources are [I]still [/I]resources available to be used. If you want to compare what a class is capable of in a day of adventure, you need to base it on what a class is [I]actually[/I] capable of. Not using spells and other abilities in the comparison would be as like comparing fighter and bladesinger performance where the fighter can't use weapons. I would ask you to explain your reasoning. A Bladesinger needs Max Int, Dex and Con. A Fighter needs Max Str, Dex and Con. Therefore they will have the same Wisdom and Charisma given the same rolls. Both classes have 4 skills from class and background. The Bladesinger can have 4 Int-based skills, each at +10. The Fighter can only have 1 skill at +10, and the other three will probably only be up to +7 at best. Therefore the Bladesinger is objectively better than an equivalent fighter out of combat without using spells. The initial discussion was purely about melee. If you want to shift the goal to ranged combat, I'm pretty sure that 13th level Bladesinger can still absolutely destroy the fighter's performance in a combat encounter if they choose to get serious about it. "Without resorting to spells" - Why should they not need to spend their class resources in the same way that the fighter is spending their class resources? As already pointed out to you a couple of times, they do not need the extra feats "to keep up". The entire point of the extra feats is to try to help the fighter "keep up" with the bladesinger and similar classes in overall adventuring performance. I assure you that while your opinions and you yourself are being treated with all the respect they are due, it would be preferable if you didn't try to drag down the thread by starting an edition war. Character concept is a thing, you know? Well, this is actually a very good analogy comparing performance at basketball with performance at the challenges a D&D party have to face. You and LeBron James are going to be matched against other teams chosen to be at the same average basketball skill of the two of you. How much fun do you think you are going to have? [/QUOTE]
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