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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8973043" data-attributes="member: 67338">or give the fighters a subsystem that allows them to opt into (say through making a new class or a subclass) and let them have the same type of options so they can make out of combat as usefule as a wizard even if it's diffrent waysI agree... giving them more damage is not the answer. a martial die like the battle master  or psi knight that allows the use of a bunch of social and exploration abilities on par with utility spells of 3rd, 4th, and 5th level given out at level 11+ (so after full casters already have 6th level slots) would be a startthis is why I suggest breaking the fighter into 3 based on the 3 subclasses in the PHB, keep a champion style simple fighter (they can even keep the name) give us a half caster like the sword mage or magus or dusk blade, and a complex warlord or warblade or sword sage. we already hve expertise in skills breaking that, and spells that are Save or suck... so</blockquote>