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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8976193" data-attributes="member: 7030563">It is poweful no doubt, but if we are talking about classes only - Shield gives a wizard 18 plus dex, where a fighter is at 20 in plate and shield (or more with magic items).  So it is +5 to the Wizard AC, but it is not 5 better than a fighter and that is using every single reaction to get that, where a fighter really is "all the time" with a bunch more hps.  Moreover at 20th level with a 23 AC (Mage Armor, Shield Spell, 20 Dex) you are going to be hit most of the time and you have a lot less hps unless you are burning slots on upcast false life.Agonizer's scorcher is weak damage at 20th level.  A fighter is getting 4 attacks a turn, that is over 38 damage if he is a sword and board with no bonuses from subclass or anything else. AS is 13.5 damage damage on a failed save and while you can get more than one enemy, you are rarely going to get more than 2 and enemies save more often than the fighter is going to miss.What I said was you are not doing 95% of the tankability of a fighter while doing as much damage and I think this is a good example, assuming max dex with shield spell you are about 80% of a fighter in terms of tankability (better AC, fewer hps), and doing about 40% of the damage.</blockquote>