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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 8991401" data-attributes="member: 6802951">Could you give us some recent examples? I'm always on the lookout for new things to try that will make my DM wince as she tries to adjudicate them.What made you feel that? To me, the 4e fighter powers fit the "master of tactical and martial combat" fantasy extremely well.Why without using their powers or spells? Surely powers and spells are an inherent part of a class and so should be taken into account when comparing performance.For example the bladesinger's power that lets it cast a cantrip spell alongside an attack is what lets it keep close or exceed fighter extra attack damage, but is also more thematic for the bladesinger than just giving them the same extra attack progression of the fighter.Why not classes as well?</blockquote>