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<blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 8993170" data-attributes="member: 6802951"><p>?</p><p>Of course you could. Being good at tripping and other tactical maneuvres etc still isn't going to prevent the fighter being overshadowed in combat by the blademaster, his simulacrum, and both of their summons for example. Being able to rush around striking multiple opponents won't stop blade wind strike dealing more damage and ignoring barriers, or just dropping a fireball into the mob.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Why? Do they get jealous when they see clerics healing and feel left out because despite being spellcasters, they can't do the cleric's speciality as well as the cleric can?</p><p>I do not know your social group, but I very much doubt that many of my acquaintances and/or users of this forum are going to feel entitled to be able to do everything another class can do in addition to their own class abilities.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Ah. Here we go. This is very telling. - I think that it is worth checking something about you that people haven't asked before:</p><p>Do you think that the Fighter should actually exist as a class? If you're insistent that the other classes should be masters of tactical martial combat as well as being supreme spellcasters, or the mortal embodiment of divine powers, then there isn't really room for a character that is just that martial master and nothing else.</p><p>If everyone who wants to melee can do anything that the fighter can, as well as their own, powerful class abilities, then why have a fighter at all?</p><p></p><p>If you do believe that the fighter does have a place as an equal in adventuring prowess to the other classes, what do you believe the mechanical expression of their class abilities should be?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Of course not: the numbers used were just used to try to help you understand how zero-sum changes as you talked about in your previous post aren't necessarily a bad thing even if contribution goes down for some people.</p><p></p><p></p><p>But it is <em>not</em>: above you outright object to the fighter getting <em>any </em>unique capability in combat, <em>whether or not</em> it would lead to a fighter contributing equal, or less than the other classes.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, and I was pointing out that paladins already have an equivalent ability that lets them cover the same niche as well, just in a different mechanical manner.</p><p></p><p></p><p>. . . and how many fighting styles does a fighter actually get to use compared to a Paladin? <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/angel.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":angel:" title="Angel :angel:" data-shortname=":angel:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cap'n Kobold, post: 8993170, member: 6802951"] ? Of course you could. Being good at tripping and other tactical maneuvres etc still isn't going to prevent the fighter being overshadowed in combat by the blademaster, his simulacrum, and both of their summons for example. Being able to rush around striking multiple opponents won't stop blade wind strike dealing more damage and ignoring barriers, or just dropping a fireball into the mob. Why? Do they get jealous when they see clerics healing and feel left out because despite being spellcasters, they can't do the cleric's speciality as well as the cleric can? I do not know your social group, but I very much doubt that many of my acquaintances and/or users of this forum are going to feel entitled to be able to do everything another class can do in addition to their own class abilities. Ah. Here we go. This is very telling. - I think that it is worth checking something about you that people haven't asked before: Do you think that the Fighter should actually exist as a class? If you're insistent that the other classes should be masters of tactical martial combat as well as being supreme spellcasters, or the mortal embodiment of divine powers, then there isn't really room for a character that is just that martial master and nothing else. If everyone who wants to melee can do anything that the fighter can, as well as their own, powerful class abilities, then why have a fighter at all? If you do believe that the fighter does have a place as an equal in adventuring prowess to the other classes, what do you believe the mechanical expression of their class abilities should be? Of course not: the numbers used were just used to try to help you understand how zero-sum changes as you talked about in your previous post aren't necessarily a bad thing even if contribution goes down for some people. But it is [I]not[/I]: above you outright object to the fighter getting [I]any [/I]unique capability in combat, [I]whether or not[/I] it would lead to a fighter contributing equal, or less than the other classes. Yes, and I was pointing out that paladins already have an equivalent ability that lets them cover the same niche as well, just in a different mechanical manner. . . . and how many fighting styles does a fighter actually get to use compared to a Paladin? :angel: [/QUOTE]
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