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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 8997092" data-attributes="member: 6802951">No, the whole point of the fighter concept is that they aren't a primary spellcaster. The fighter that doesn't cast spells is generally doing so because they can't, not because they don't want to.If their character concept including "casting spells" than it is likely that they are not playing a fighter.Would you kindly go back and read what they actually said, before making that kind of false claim. Given you are the only person suggesting fighters get to cast spells to be as powerful as a wizard, you no doubt owe them an apology, but as mentioned before, it is preferable that you not make a mistake of that magnitude to start with, rather than just offer an apology for it afterwards.Are you aware of what a "ribbon" is in the context of class features?I'm sure it did. Having to fall back on your full wizard casting progression and scaling cantrips when dealing with creatures immune to non-magical damage must have hurt her so much more than if it was the great-weapon-focused fighter who got those weapons.Can't anyone pick up any of those abilities?Character concept is a thing you know?I'm missing something. Where are the other two extra ASIs coming from? Are we assuming the fighter hasn't invested in any combat feats after maxing their primary ability?Again. You are avoiding answering the actual question that was asked.None of those subclasses are providing that ability to match the wizard just through the subclass in the way that Hexblade and Bladesinger match the fighter. All of them are just adding stuff onto their existing class chassis.The Aberrant Soul Sorceror subclass for example doesn't grant 9th-level spellcasting to let it match the wizard. That comes from the base sorceror chassis.A Bladesinger who decides to just go nuts in an encounter can absolutely eclipse a fighter in combat even if you restrict performance to damage dealt by melee attacks.Or a magic greatsword or polearm.Generally best when directly comparing classes to either assume ideal magic item choice, or none.How does the Fighter fare in that situation? She will have a lower AC and only 20 more HP than the wizard, plus no absorb elements.</blockquote>

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