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<blockquote data-quote="Thrudjelmer" data-source="post: 1520145" data-attributes="member: 19060"><p>Not to get on your case or anything, Neo, since most of what I've read here is praise for your conversions... but at first glance, I came across some things that --while the numbers add up according to the rules-- just seemed a wee bit <em>off</em> in my opinion. I was just wondering how you decide what the limits of the character's abilities are when you're assigning the power points.</p><p></p><p>For example, <strong>Spider-man:</strong></p><p>You have the wall-crawler's Strength score listed at 18, with the added bonus of 7 ranks of Super-Strength. This adds up to him having a maximum load of about 38 tons... this alone seems a bit more than Spidey should have as a max (it should be more like half that at <em>best</em>). But beyond that, if something happens to rob Spiderman of his powers, this still leaves him with the ability to lift 600 lbs max... just imagine Peter Parker for a moment so we're both on the same page here. Parker is a lean (some would say scrawny) individual, and while he has been shown to have benefitted physically from his years of web-swinging to the point where even when he had lost his powers, he was noticably stronger than he expected; but he was not the hulking brute (of an average human) that an 18 Strength would indicate.</p><p></p><p>Turning the page, let's look at <strong>Venom:</strong></p><p>You've assigned Venom a 19 Strength and 10 ranks of Super-Strength. The 19 Strength makes a lot more sense than Parker's 18 Str above since Eddie Brock spent alot of time at the gym. However, when you add 10 ranks of Super-Strength, you're giving him the ability to lift 358 tons! This is utterly rediculous as even Thor (and other similarly powerful heroes in the Marvel universe) generally topped out around or a little over 100 tons... with the old, savage green Hulk starting there and getting stronger as his rage increased.</p><p></p><p>In addition, I skimmed through the arguement about Captain America's and Wolverine's device flaw a page or two back. First off, why is it you think the Super-Soldier serum gives Cap great strength of will? The serum's effects were purely physical and should not give a Super-Wisdom power. While I can't reference the specific issues as well as some people, I'd like to remind you of a character called Black Crow that once fought Captain America to balance the wrongs done to the Native American people by Americans... all ended well when Captain America surrendered and appeased the Indian spirits; the next time the two characters "met" was when Captain America had been poisoned and was laying on his death bed. Black Crow appeared mysteriously and used his mystic powers to enhance his "brother's" will to enable him to resist the effects of the poison. <em>That</em> is where Captain America's great willpower comes from, not the serum.</p><p></p><p>Next, while Captain America has been deprived of his Super Soldier serum, it was only a temporary loss and would not qualify as a device just because the "powers" can be negated by removing the serum because (whether due to the nature of the serum itself or the vita-rays activation process) the serum has become a part of his body's make-up. A complete blood transfusion deprived him temporarily, but only for a short time while his body essentially regenerated the serum. This does go beyond even your standards of device flaw at the time you created the conversion as the serum is an inherent part of the man and not just a chemical that can be removed. Regardless, you've admitted you wouldn't assign the device flaw back to him if you were going to do him again... my question is, will you?</p><p></p><p>Wolverine, on the other hand, you pretty much admitted to giving Wolverine the admantium claws only instead of going the route of natural claws with the admantium claws on top since they wouldn't stack and it would be pointless to waste the power points this way; however, though it may seem wasteful, its a more accurate representation AND doesn't cause any problems adding new bone claws if the adamantium is ever removed from him again.</p><p></p><p>I'm working right now, so I haven't had time to go over all of the details of these character conversions, let alone examine some of your other conversions... but I'm going to have to take a good, close look at them before I'd agree that they are good conversions. This isn't merely a difference of opinion or my take vs. your take; these are gross misrepresentations. Gross misrepresentations are <u>never</u> good character conversions.</p><p></p><p>I hope, once whatever this mysterious book you're waiting for Green Ronin to announce becomes available, that you make corrections to the old conversions where appropriate instead of just leaving them up with (hopefully) more accurate newer conversions.</p><p></p><p>Just my $.02 on the matter.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thrudjelmer, post: 1520145, member: 19060"] Not to get on your case or anything, Neo, since most of what I've read here is praise for your conversions... but at first glance, I came across some things that --while the numbers add up according to the rules-- just seemed a wee bit [i]off[/i] in my opinion. I was just wondering how you decide what the limits of the character's abilities are when you're assigning the power points. For example, [b]Spider-man:[/b] You have the wall-crawler's Strength score listed at 18, with the added bonus of 7 ranks of Super-Strength. This adds up to him having a maximum load of about 38 tons... this alone seems a bit more than Spidey should have as a max (it should be more like half that at [i]best[/i]). But beyond that, if something happens to rob Spiderman of his powers, this still leaves him with the ability to lift 600 lbs max... just imagine Peter Parker for a moment so we're both on the same page here. Parker is a lean (some would say scrawny) individual, and while he has been shown to have benefitted physically from his years of web-swinging to the point where even when he had lost his powers, he was noticably stronger than he expected; but he was not the hulking brute (of an average human) that an 18 Strength would indicate. Turning the page, let's look at [b]Venom:[/b] You've assigned Venom a 19 Strength and 10 ranks of Super-Strength. The 19 Strength makes a lot more sense than Parker's 18 Str above since Eddie Brock spent alot of time at the gym. However, when you add 10 ranks of Super-Strength, you're giving him the ability to lift 358 tons! This is utterly rediculous as even Thor (and other similarly powerful heroes in the Marvel universe) generally topped out around or a little over 100 tons... with the old, savage green Hulk starting there and getting stronger as his rage increased. In addition, I skimmed through the arguement about Captain America's and Wolverine's device flaw a page or two back. First off, why is it you think the Super-Soldier serum gives Cap great strength of will? The serum's effects were purely physical and should not give a Super-Wisdom power. While I can't reference the specific issues as well as some people, I'd like to remind you of a character called Black Crow that once fought Captain America to balance the wrongs done to the Native American people by Americans... all ended well when Captain America surrendered and appeased the Indian spirits; the next time the two characters "met" was when Captain America had been poisoned and was laying on his death bed. Black Crow appeared mysteriously and used his mystic powers to enhance his "brother's" will to enable him to resist the effects of the poison. [i]That[/i] is where Captain America's great willpower comes from, not the serum. Next, while Captain America has been deprived of his Super Soldier serum, it was only a temporary loss and would not qualify as a device just because the "powers" can be negated by removing the serum because (whether due to the nature of the serum itself or the vita-rays activation process) the serum has become a part of his body's make-up. A complete blood transfusion deprived him temporarily, but only for a short time while his body essentially regenerated the serum. This does go beyond even your standards of device flaw at the time you created the conversion as the serum is an inherent part of the man and not just a chemical that can be removed. Regardless, you've admitted you wouldn't assign the device flaw back to him if you were going to do him again... my question is, will you? Wolverine, on the other hand, you pretty much admitted to giving Wolverine the admantium claws only instead of going the route of natural claws with the admantium claws on top since they wouldn't stack and it would be pointless to waste the power points this way; however, though it may seem wasteful, its a more accurate representation AND doesn't cause any problems adding new bone claws if the adamantium is ever removed from him again. I'm working right now, so I haven't had time to go over all of the details of these character conversions, let alone examine some of your other conversions... but I'm going to have to take a good, close look at them before I'd agree that they are good conversions. This isn't merely a difference of opinion or my take vs. your take; these are gross misrepresentations. Gross misrepresentations are [u]never[/u] good character conversions. I hope, once whatever this mysterious book you're waiting for Green Ronin to announce becomes available, that you make corrections to the old conversions where appropriate instead of just leaving them up with (hopefully) more accurate newer conversions. Just my $.02 on the matter. [/QUOTE]
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