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<blockquote data-quote="Neo" data-source="post: 1520669" data-attributes="member: 4139"><p>wow first post and the below goes straight for the jugular <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> Okay well ill take the time to try and answer your queries below and explain some things. But just to state now that what ill tell you about why I did things or how I do them is just that and I wont be going over and over any points raised to ad infinitum what is fairly obvious.. i.e you would do things your way and I would do them mine.. As I have absolutely no desire to get back into a conversation where we end up restating our views over and over as has occured previously in this thread. That said I'll respond to each part below.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Alll the conversions are made based off a number of sources, first and foremost is the old TSR FASERIP marvel system, backed up by information from the Marvel.com site and the Marvel Directory and from two decades of reading more comics than you can shake a stick at. That said your obviously not adding things up quite right as I have no idea where you get the 38 tons number from. Spidermans 7 ranks of Super Strength multiply his carrying capacity 128 times. And as his Strength of 18 gives him a heavy load of 300lb.. thats a total of 38,400lb he can lift as a Heavy load, which is around 18 tons not 38!.</p><p>As to why he'd have a 600lb lift capacity if his powers were removed he'd still be quite strong.. now initially he was a science geek weakling.. but do you seriously think super powers or no, all those years of extremely physical activity wouldn't have toned his natural physique and improved his natural strength any? In fact if you read the recent material he is shown super powers or no as having the washboard abs, muscular physique and not the lanky, scrawny form of his youth and early comics. Also do not forget maximum load is the amount they can lift off the ground, not the amount they can at best only stagger with it.</p><p></p><p>Also just for the record 18 strength does nto necessarily mean anyone is a hulking anything.. 20 is the maximum human potential so he's hardly the perfect specimen.. plus as in the real world you can get people who are small and do not have a great deal of bdy mass that are just as strong if not stronger than those who intentionally bulk up and have muscle on muscle.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>19 Strength heavy load is 350lb (700lb maximum lift which REALLY is Eddie Brocks maximum bench press amount btw). When Venom is on him it amplies his strength and gives him around 175 tons heavy load due to 10 ranks of Super Strength not 358! Again your calculations are off.</p><p>350lb heavy load x 1024 (multiplier for 10 ranks of super strength) = 358,400lb</p><p></p><p>As for the hulk, actually his light load amount was around 70 tons, and its upper limit was never and has never been specified, only that the angrier he gets the stronger he gets, which is why noone can ever beat the guy in a fist fight without playing dirty or getting help. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Do you honestly believe that having a more refined physique does not add to your mental well being and therefore mental resilience? </p><p>Its medical fact that healthy body leads to a more positive outlook, less susceptability to depression and so forth.. therefore it stands to reason that a healthier body would also lead to a more resilient mind.</p><p>But that aside Wisdom is not just Willpower, it is also cunning, guile, common sense and greater ability to assimilate the information your sense are giving you (through increase of wisdom based skills). So its a combination of things. All of which do definitely seem to have been boosted by the super soldier serum.. just look at Caps ability to enter a situation note where all potential threats are, strike them with pinpoint accuracy doing non lethal damage..taking them out in order of greatest risk to lowest risk if your in doubt these things have been affected. Also look at his ability to be beaten bad, be effectively out of the fight but then through sheer force of will make himself not only get back up and fight but win... thats why it gives a smaller Super wisdom boost (not a comparative one as to the physical abilities as you seem to think.. price of skimming i guess <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ).</p><p></p><p>The Black Crow incident you mention.. to clarify, the reason Cap was dying was due to a poison (a physical effect) that was injected into him by the Red skull, Black Crow appeared and mystically gave cap the mental resilience to overcome it by strenght of mind...but the pertinence of this to the point in question isnt really there, a) it was a physical poison, b) magic was involved.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>this is a matter of opinion. First and foremost the serum is a device because it is and was initially produced for M&M as a serum (imbibed) that could be implemented to others. It can also be reproduced and has been. Also the serum itself is useless on its own requiring very specific conditions to apply before it makes a super soldier. So in effect when your talking about Captain America losing his powers, it isnt really the serum your referring to at all, but the effects of the serum.</p><p>So as per M&M and other elixirs, potions and imbibed things etc.. it had the device flaw applied.</p><p></p><p>As for stating I wouldn't use device flaw again that was more in reference to Wolverines adamantium skeleton than Caps serum.</p><p></p><p>As for whether or not I will do Cap again, eventually I imagine he'll get a tweak but again that relates back to a certain release from GR <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Its isnt really more accurate though is it.. i mean sure it was revealed eventually that wolverine did have bone claws anyway once the adamantium was released, but it is his adamantium claws that everyone more commonly associates him for. If I had given him bone claws as well it would only really have been buying a natural weapon power simply for the sake of it, as opposed to the use of it.</p><p>Wolverine in particular though is one of my conversions I have never been quite happy with as his Adamantium skeleton isnt easily applied as things stand.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hardly and your calculations have led you to believe there are misrepresentations when in fact there aren't, so claiming they are gross misrepresentations is not only untrue, its also an unfair statement to make. </p><p>I feel I should also point out that folks will always vary on opinion as you say, some will like what is done, others won't.. thats life. </p><p>But at the end of the day you also need to realise that there are like what some 40 or so Marvel conversion on my site?, statted up by me for you guys, put together by me for you guys, PDF'ed and presented by me for you guys, on a site paid for each month (not free) by me for you guys.. in order that you can download for free some of your favourite marvel or DC heroes to use. I dont have to do any of it but I choose too.. Now I may be a little old fashion, maybe its just the way i was brought up I dont know. But when someone goes to such lengths in order provide something for someone else like that, the common response is thank you.. not to claim my conversions are not only grossly misrepresented, but not good conversions at all.. which after you admit you have only skimmed, and have also miscalculated is fairly disrespectful.</p><p></p><p>Maybe when you put as much time and effort and resources into providing something for others for free, you'll be in a better position to pass comment <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Just my £.02 on the matter <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neo, post: 1520669, member: 4139"] wow first post and the below goes straight for the jugular :confused: Okay well ill take the time to try and answer your queries below and explain some things. But just to state now that what ill tell you about why I did things or how I do them is just that and I wont be going over and over any points raised to ad infinitum what is fairly obvious.. i.e you would do things your way and I would do them mine.. As I have absolutely no desire to get back into a conversation where we end up restating our views over and over as has occured previously in this thread. That said I'll respond to each part below. Alll the conversions are made based off a number of sources, first and foremost is the old TSR FASERIP marvel system, backed up by information from the Marvel.com site and the Marvel Directory and from two decades of reading more comics than you can shake a stick at. That said your obviously not adding things up quite right as I have no idea where you get the 38 tons number from. Spidermans 7 ranks of Super Strength multiply his carrying capacity 128 times. And as his Strength of 18 gives him a heavy load of 300lb.. thats a total of 38,400lb he can lift as a Heavy load, which is around 18 tons not 38!. As to why he'd have a 600lb lift capacity if his powers were removed he'd still be quite strong.. now initially he was a science geek weakling.. but do you seriously think super powers or no, all those years of extremely physical activity wouldn't have toned his natural physique and improved his natural strength any? In fact if you read the recent material he is shown super powers or no as having the washboard abs, muscular physique and not the lanky, scrawny form of his youth and early comics. Also do not forget maximum load is the amount they can lift off the ground, not the amount they can at best only stagger with it. Also just for the record 18 strength does nto necessarily mean anyone is a hulking anything.. 20 is the maximum human potential so he's hardly the perfect specimen.. plus as in the real world you can get people who are small and do not have a great deal of bdy mass that are just as strong if not stronger than those who intentionally bulk up and have muscle on muscle. 19 Strength heavy load is 350lb (700lb maximum lift which REALLY is Eddie Brocks maximum bench press amount btw). When Venom is on him it amplies his strength and gives him around 175 tons heavy load due to 10 ranks of Super Strength not 358! Again your calculations are off. 350lb heavy load x 1024 (multiplier for 10 ranks of super strength) = 358,400lb As for the hulk, actually his light load amount was around 70 tons, and its upper limit was never and has never been specified, only that the angrier he gets the stronger he gets, which is why noone can ever beat the guy in a fist fight without playing dirty or getting help. Do you honestly believe that having a more refined physique does not add to your mental well being and therefore mental resilience? Its medical fact that healthy body leads to a more positive outlook, less susceptability to depression and so forth.. therefore it stands to reason that a healthier body would also lead to a more resilient mind. But that aside Wisdom is not just Willpower, it is also cunning, guile, common sense and greater ability to assimilate the information your sense are giving you (through increase of wisdom based skills). So its a combination of things. All of which do definitely seem to have been boosted by the super soldier serum.. just look at Caps ability to enter a situation note where all potential threats are, strike them with pinpoint accuracy doing non lethal damage..taking them out in order of greatest risk to lowest risk if your in doubt these things have been affected. Also look at his ability to be beaten bad, be effectively out of the fight but then through sheer force of will make himself not only get back up and fight but win... thats why it gives a smaller Super wisdom boost (not a comparative one as to the physical abilities as you seem to think.. price of skimming i guess ;) ). The Black Crow incident you mention.. to clarify, the reason Cap was dying was due to a poison (a physical effect) that was injected into him by the Red skull, Black Crow appeared and mystically gave cap the mental resilience to overcome it by strenght of mind...but the pertinence of this to the point in question isnt really there, a) it was a physical poison, b) magic was involved. this is a matter of opinion. First and foremost the serum is a device because it is and was initially produced for M&M as a serum (imbibed) that could be implemented to others. It can also be reproduced and has been. Also the serum itself is useless on its own requiring very specific conditions to apply before it makes a super soldier. So in effect when your talking about Captain America losing his powers, it isnt really the serum your referring to at all, but the effects of the serum. So as per M&M and other elixirs, potions and imbibed things etc.. it had the device flaw applied. As for stating I wouldn't use device flaw again that was more in reference to Wolverines adamantium skeleton than Caps serum. As for whether or not I will do Cap again, eventually I imagine he'll get a tweak but again that relates back to a certain release from GR :) Its isnt really more accurate though is it.. i mean sure it was revealed eventually that wolverine did have bone claws anyway once the adamantium was released, but it is his adamantium claws that everyone more commonly associates him for. If I had given him bone claws as well it would only really have been buying a natural weapon power simply for the sake of it, as opposed to the use of it. Wolverine in particular though is one of my conversions I have never been quite happy with as his Adamantium skeleton isnt easily applied as things stand. Hardly and your calculations have led you to believe there are misrepresentations when in fact there aren't, so claiming they are gross misrepresentations is not only untrue, its also an unfair statement to make. I feel I should also point out that folks will always vary on opinion as you say, some will like what is done, others won't.. thats life. But at the end of the day you also need to realise that there are like what some 40 or so Marvel conversion on my site?, statted up by me for you guys, put together by me for you guys, PDF'ed and presented by me for you guys, on a site paid for each month (not free) by me for you guys.. in order that you can download for free some of your favourite marvel or DC heroes to use. I dont have to do any of it but I choose too.. Now I may be a little old fashion, maybe its just the way i was brought up I dont know. But when someone goes to such lengths in order provide something for someone else like that, the common response is thank you.. not to claim my conversions are not only grossly misrepresented, but not good conversions at all.. which after you admit you have only skimmed, and have also miscalculated is fairly disrespectful. Maybe when you put as much time and effort and resources into providing something for others for free, you'll be in a better position to pass comment ;) Just my £.02 on the matter ;) [/QUOTE]
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