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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thrudjelmer" data-source="post: 1530178" data-attributes="member: 19060">Its called a no sugar-coating manner of dealing with someone.  No, I'm not the most polite of people, because I don't believe in pretending to be something I'm not.  I realize that some intent normally conveyed through inflection and facial expressions is lost when communicating in a text-based forum such as this, but I also feel that this "let's all be super-polite to each other" demeanor has softened internet microcosms to the point where some people take any disagreement of their opinions/statements and consider it an inflametory statement.  Everyone needs to get over it.I started out my questioning by asking from where Neo derives his information to arrive at the numbers he had assigned, and then pointing out a few examples that were grossly out of proportion with the majority of published material pertaining to those characters.  He is NOT a little off, or a little too generous with his numbers... he is way off.  Stating something is a "gross misrepresentation" or doubting the credibility of all of his work based on something that is quite obviously in error when it does easily convert from other game systems and published facts (such as a Strength score based on a maximum lifting capacity) is not an insult.  If it comes off as insulting, that's your (collectively) perception of it and you need to broaden your perceptions, not limit my perfectly valid use speech. You know, I offer no apologies to Darkness for that.  If he can't understand that to criticize is to be critical of, then he should not tell someone it is okay to criticize.  He blatantly illustrated his lack of grasp of "criticize" with an example of a completely non-critical statement & question...  and honestly, if he can't understand something so basic, then I am superior to him in --at very least-- my grasp of the English language.  That doesn't mean I think I'm a better person, but I'm certainly going to criticize his short-coming since HE is a moderator and should be able to both clearly understand AND explain his meaning to others that he moderates. I do feel, at this point, a need to be insulting...  and I'm gonna do it.  I may have started off with an unpopular stance, and I've certainly done nothing to win over anyone else with my statements, but --abrasive or not, at least I'm consistent and honest without actually being insulting (regardless of how some of you have mis-percieved my ealier statements).  Of course, because I'm not expressing praise or even what some might deem a proper amount of respect that they feel Neo is due, I'm called a troll.  I may be new to EN World, but I am no forum-n00b.  Troll is a very derogatory term, and is popularly defined as "One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. He will spark of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks (i.e. 'you're nothing but a fanboy' is a popular phrase) with no substance or relevence to back them up as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue."  Isn't that an attack?  Isn't it a touch of hipocracy to chastize me for being insulting and attacking others, then attacking me with an insult?I'm not doing this for my self-amusement.  I was looking for Marvel conversions to the M&M system.  This thread actually came before Neo's website when I did a Google search, so I came and looked... and browsed the conversions on the first page... and eventually looked over his website...  It didn't hit me right away, but I noticed a handful of things I would've done differently --including Captain America's super-soldier serum as already discussed.  I conceded that some of my points were just my own take as Neo points out, and I admitted my error when he pointed out that I was looking at the wrong column to determine Heavy Load for Strength scores.  However, even after correcting myself and using the right columns to get the right numbers, I still see excessive Strength scores...  and so I continue, in a critical manner, to question Neo about his sources and reason for obviously wrong numbers.  I was accused of being insulting when I made comments that were clearly not directed at Neo specifically but only as a hypothetical example of the blind loyalty being displayed to Neo simply because he tried, and Neo himself shifted his defense to something I wasn't even criticizing to begin with (specifically, the established PLs --which I never questioned).  At this point, I'm merely defending my not being a troll. I doubt it.  It seems like the internet community is polarized between a complete "no arguing, play nice" policy or a complete free-for-all where mud-slinging, name-calling, and personal attacks are not only acceptable --they're encouraged!Its one thing to put restrictions on what is legitimately an attack...  in fact, its a necessity to keep things from degrading into base insults and random inflametory remarks.  However, a zero-tolerance policy on confrontation is just as bad.  It smacks of censorship --not just where needed-- but also of legitimate commentary, and it hampers creativity.  Confrontation inspires thought, censorship of expression promotes creative-laziness.  Hey, why should Neo make an attempt at making his "conversions" remotely accurate if all he gets is praise from the people that like over-powered everything while those who would disagree are silenced or sent packing because they don't share the group mentality?  I asked if there will be updates to his old conversions once Green Ronin announces/releases the mysterious book that Neo has referenced, which is a perectly valid question regardless of my abrasive nature seeing as how Neo himself admitted that he wouldn't do some characters the same way now that he's got updated information. Of course, I was told that if I can't join the crowd and like 'em as they are, I can just go elsewhere... and I've been called a troll for disagreeing --and backing up my disagreements thoughtfully and with logic-- with popular opinion. Yes, he did cite the information I requested... and even though it is a comic I sadly do not have access to --nor have I ever read it, I've stopped complaining specifically about his conversions and have since only been wrapping up my defense of my statements to the people who think I'm a troll and attacking everyone including a moderator.As for conversions of my own, I've already stated that I will be doing that as Neo's are too strong for me, and I never expressed an interest in low Power Level conversions...  all I've been looking for were accurate conversions representing the average ideal of a given character.  Neo's interpretations, as he's now explained and I understand, are often based on single incidences of one writer's creative license to exagerate abilities for the sake of story and chart the character's abilities based on the most extreme moments of a character's portrayal.  Got it.  Don't agree with it, but got it.Now...  everybody toughen up, because when I go back to my regular D&D gaming, I'll more than likely be popping up in appropriate threads to question and criticize other ideas.  Don't take offense, think of defending your ideas as an opportunity to broaden your creative skills.</blockquote>

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