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Message: <blockquote data-quote="billd91" data-source="post: 1530610" data-attributes="member: 3400">Well, the way I see it, Neo's response to Thru's post wasn't an overreaction at all (notice the smiley with the jugular comment). Thru's post started reasonably polite, but bringing in gross misrepresentation rather than opinions. Where I come from, a gross misrepresentation is generally a willful attempt to deceive someone, like when politicians grossly misrepresent their opponent's positions in attack ads (and we'll see tons of those this year). If Thru had said that he thought Neo was just off target or didn't really capture the real feel of the character based on most of the comic canon, then it would have remained polite. When Neo countered with his reasons for his interpretations of the characters (and that's really all conversions are as has been pointed out), he persisted in saying that Neo was flat out wrong. Meanwhile, Neo was still game to explain his conversion decisions and why some other people may come to other conclusions. And, as I see it, Thru continued to dig his hole deeper by refusing (seemingly) to acknowledge that people may weight the evidence of the comics differently, apply the mechanics of M&M differently, and reach different conclusions than his own. It really looked to me like an avalanche that got going with the tone of Thru's criticisms getting harsher and harsher, eventually saying that Neo shouldn't be able to call these conversions so much as interpretations (but since the Marvel characters weren't designed for the M&M game, nor was the M&M game designed specifically for the Marvel universe, any conversion is exactly an interpretation of the character through the M&M framework and thus no conversion can claim the title any better or worse than others... except in how it fits the reader's concept of that character and desires for their M&M campaign, and as it was pointed out, Thru had Valdier's conversions to check out for lower PL conversions).My point is, ultimately, that Thru was the architect of his own demise in this thread and Neo, while maybe a little thin skinned about initial combativeness from Thru, stuck in there until it really became pointless to continue to argue the basis for his conversions. The early defenses of Neo were really just a call to simmer down and be aware that the tone was getting a bit over the top, a criticism of his criticisms if you will, that he directly rejected in a manner that I thought was quite rude.Now I might disagree with some of Neo's interpretations too, I can use or not user them at my option. I thank him for his effort and creativity. I might even be able to tweak one or two of them to fit my ideas a little better (personally, I'm kind of ignoring the whole bone claw thing they did to Wolverine because I thought it was silly... I actually got pretty fed up with superhero comics around that time and stopped buying most. Ultimates and Ultimate Fantastic Four are, however, drawing me back in). But I'm not about to blatantly say he's wrong because he chose a particular way to apply the mechanics unless there's a definite problem in the addition of the points or application of a rule. I'm even willing to give a pass on max and heavy load lifting amounts because sometimes it's better to have a good stat in the game that reflects, based on the mechanics, about how much damage a character should do in the game rather than rely on unreliable comic books where the interpretation of that character's abilities may vary from writer to writer.I certainly won't say that I am perfect when it comes to tone. I got kind of snarky in this debate too, but I'll make an effort to be constructive, civil, and respectful of other people's efforts. Thru looked like he would do so at first but he really made a couple of missteps in online etiquette and then started digging for China.</blockquote>

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