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<blockquote data-quote="Somebloke" data-source="post: 4849166" data-attributes="member: 67268"><p>The lead of Ann Bishop's <em>Black Jewels</em> Trilogy seems to me to be a perfect example of a Mary Sue as a main character. The elements are all there- tragic background (abusive family who hurt or merely don't appreciate her), a small harem of vampire-esque loner nobles who vie for her affections, status as the most powerful being <em>by far</em> in the entire world, intelligent animal pets, the near-superpower ability for just about every single half-decent person in existance to love her, a 'true form' that has elements of unicorns and wolves and perhaps the most telling aspect of all- the fact that a good 50% (at least) of the book is devoted to people's various (invariably positive) reactions to her various awesomeness. I swear- just about every single chapter involved some form of hero worship being levelled at her. <em>And the author still tried to convince she was a tragic figure.</em> It was so blatantly the author's wish fulfillment fantasy converted into book form (so that, one suspects, teenage girls could buy into it). </p><p> </p><p>Really, if anyone wants a picture perfect ideal of the Mary Sue, I recommend these books. Keep in mind these have been edited and made commercially available. </p><p> </p><p>...</p><p> </p><p>If anyone is a fan, I apologise, <em>but it needs to be said.</em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Somebloke, post: 4849166, member: 67268"] The lead of Ann Bishop's [I]Black Jewels[/I] Trilogy seems to me to be a perfect example of a Mary Sue as a main character. The elements are all there- tragic background (abusive family who hurt or merely don't appreciate her), a small harem of vampire-esque loner nobles who vie for her affections, status as the most powerful being [I]by far[/I] in the entire world, intelligent animal pets, the near-superpower ability for just about every single half-decent person in existance to love her, a 'true form' that has elements of unicorns and wolves and perhaps the most telling aspect of all- the fact that a good 50% (at least) of the book is devoted to people's various (invariably positive) reactions to her various awesomeness. I swear- just about every single chapter involved some form of hero worship being levelled at her. [I]And the author still tried to convince she was a tragic figure.[/I] It was so blatantly the author's wish fulfillment fantasy converted into book form (so that, one suspects, teenage girls could buy into it). Really, if anyone wants a picture perfect ideal of the Mary Sue, I recommend these books. Keep in mind these have been edited and made commercially available. ... If anyone is a fan, I apologise, [I]but it needs to be said.[/I] [/QUOTE]
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