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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 7533292" data-attributes="member: 82504"><a href="https://trollitc.com/2010/09/16/mass-combat-with-dd-4e-formations-as-swarms/" target="_blank">https://trollitc.com/2010/09/16/mass-combat-with-dd-4e-formations-as-swarms/</a>Discusses this A quotable quote I think points out something often not realizedCasualty usually includes captured by the enemy and similar things not always dead.  And the leaders call retreats or parlay etc to keep losses down. A measured retreat is also distinct from a route. He says something that seems odd however and presumes a 4x4 square has way more members than reasonable Ouch yes I do indeed see a centurion of soldiers as a single unit against paragon tier enemies or even maybe a legion but over estimating crunch space even in a tight formation doesn't work for me. the 4x4 space is enough for a patrol in tight formation ie 20 to 25 members not 4 times that.  This brings up an issue that I have had with D&D you cannot represent well the awesomeness of Epic within the game board limited space. I think we are in epic moving to something more theatre of the mind. The following sizes and numbers still assume tight formations.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">2x2  fireteam or personal guard (4 or 5)  this is basically like a normal set of minions who act as a team supporting one another so they arent taken down simply in one shot.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">3x3 squad (10)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">4x4 patrol of 20 to 25</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">6x6 platoon (40 or 50)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">8x8 company or centurion 100</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">12x12 Squadron of (200 or 250)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">16x16 Battalion 500</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">24x24 Legion 1000</li> </ul>4e has a serious significant lack WRT larger Swarms ...  The Black Fang Hyena Pack is basically a 2x2 The Orc Throng is a 3x3  huge  and about a squadThe Angry mob is Gargantuan level 5 and about a Patrols worth of people maybe.. however once you hit Gargantuan the size in squares is kind of 4x4 or more.  [ATTACH]103567[/ATTACH]</blockquote>

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