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<blockquote data-quote="mmadsen" data-source="post: 283563" data-attributes="member: 1645"><p><strong>Re: Sun Tzu's Art of War</strong></p><p></p><p>I thought I'd quote some of the concrete advice from Sun Tzu's <a href="http://www.chinapage.com/philosophy/sunzi/sunzi-e.html" target="_blank">Art of War</a>, the kind of elements that should play out in a mass-combat game.</p><p></p><p>From II. WAGING WAR:</p><p><span style="color: Silver"></span></p><p> <span style="color: Silver">1. Sun Tzu said: In the operations of war,</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> where there are in the field a thousand swift chariots,</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> as many heavy chariots, and a hundred thousand</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> mail-clad soldiers, with provisions enough to carry them</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> a thousand li, the expenditure at home and at the front,</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> including entertainment of guests, small items such as</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> glue and paint, and sums spent on chariots and armor,</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> will reach the total of a thousand ounces of silver per day. </span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> Such is the cost of raising an army of 100,000 men.</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"></span></p><p><span style="color: Silver">13,14. With this loss of substance and exhaustion</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> of strength, the homes of the people will be stripped bare,</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> and three-tenths of their income will be dissipated;</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> while government expenses for broken chariots, worn-out horses,</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> breast-plates and helmets, bows and arrows, spears and shields,</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> protective mantles, draught-oxen and heavy wagons,</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> will amount to four-tenths of its total revenue.</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"></span></p><p><span style="color: Silver">15. Hence a wise general makes a point of foraging</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> on the enemy. One cartload of the enemy's provisions</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> is equivalent to twenty of one's own, and likewise</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> a single picul of his provender is equivalent to twenty</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> from one's own store.</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"></span></p><p>From III. ATTACK BY STRATAGEM:</p><p><span style="color: Silver"></span></p><p> <span style="color: Silver">4. The rule is, not to besiege walled cities if it</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> can possibly be avoided. The preparation of mantlets,</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> movable shelters, and various implements of war, will take</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> up three whole months; and the piling up of mounds over</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> against the walls will take three months more.</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"></span></p><p> <span style="color: Silver">5. The general, unable to control his irritation,</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> will launch his men to the assault like swarming ants,</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> with the result that one-third of his men are slain,</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> while the town still remains untaken. Such are the disastrous</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> effects of a siege.</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"></span></p><p> <span style="color: Silver">8. It is the rule in war, if our forces are ten</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> to the enemy's one, to surround him; if five to one,</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> to attack him; if twice as numerous, to divide our army</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> into two.</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"></span></p><p>From V. ENERGY:</p><p><span style="color: Silver"></span></p><p> <span style="color: Silver">2. Fighting with a large army under your command</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> is nowise different from fighting with a small one: </span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> it is merely a question of instituting signs and signals.</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"></span></p><p>From VI. WEAK POINTS AND STRONG:</p><p><span style="color: Silver"></span></p><p> <span style="color: Silver">1. Sun Tzu said: Whoever is first in the field and</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> awaits the coming of the enemy, will be fresh for the fight;</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> whoever is second in the field and has to hasten to battle</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> will arrive exhausted.</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"></span></p><p>From VII. MANEUVERING:</p><p><span style="color: Silver"></span></p><p><span style="color: Silver">5. Maneuvering with an army is advantageous;</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> with an undisciplined multitude, most dangerous.</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"></span></p><p> <span style="color: Silver">7. Thus, if you order your men to roll up their</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> buff-coats, and make forced marches without halting day</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> or night, covering double the usual distance at a stretch,</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> doing a hundred LI in order to wrest an advantage,</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> the leaders of all your three divisions will fall into</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> the hands of the enemy.</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"></span></p><p> <span style="color: Silver">8. The stronger men will be in front, the jaded</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> ones will fall behind, and on this plan only one-tenth</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> of your army will reach its destination.</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"></span></p><p> <span style="color: Silver">9. If you march fifty LI in order to outmaneuver</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> the enemy, you will lose the leader of your first division,</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> and only half your force will reach the goal.</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"></span></p><p><span style="color: Silver">10. If you march thirty LI with the same object,</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> two-thirds of your army will arrive.</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"></span></p><p><span style="color: Silver">11. We may take it then that an army without its</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> baggage-train is lost; without provisions it is lost;</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> without bases of supply it is lost.</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"></span></p><p><span style="color: Silver">23. The Book of Army Management says: On the field</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> of battle, the spoken word does not carry far enough: </span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> hence the institution of gongs and drums. Nor can ordinary</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> objects be seen clearly enough: hence the institution</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> of banners and flags.</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"></span></p><p><span style="color: Silver">24. Gongs and drums, banners and flags, are means</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> whereby the ears and eyes of the host may be focused</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> on one particular point.</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"></span></p><p><span style="color: Silver">25. The host thus forming a single united body,</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> is it impossible either for the brave to advance alone,</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> or for the cowardly to retreat alone. This is the art</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> of handling large masses of men.</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"></span></p><p><span style="color: Silver">26. In night-fighting, then, make much use of signal-fires</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> and drums, and in fighting by day, of flags and banners,</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> as a means of influencing the ears and eyes of your army.</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"></span></p><p><span style="color: Silver">33. It is a military axiom not to advance uphill</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"> against the enemy, nor to oppose him when he comes downhill.</span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"></span></p><p>That's a start. Those excerpts come from the first seven chapters.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mmadsen, post: 283563, member: 1645"] [b]Re: Sun Tzu's Art of War[/b] I thought I'd quote some of the concrete advice from Sun Tzu's [url=http://www.chinapage.com/philosophy/sunzi/sunzi-e.html]Art of War[/url], the kind of elements that should play out in a mass-combat game. From II. WAGING WAR: [Color=Silver] 1. Sun Tzu said: In the operations of war, where there are in the field a thousand swift chariots, as many heavy chariots, and a hundred thousand mail-clad soldiers, with provisions enough to carry them a thousand li, the expenditure at home and at the front, including entertainment of guests, small items such as glue and paint, and sums spent on chariots and armor, will reach the total of a thousand ounces of silver per day. Such is the cost of raising an army of 100,000 men. 13,14. With this loss of substance and exhaustion of strength, the homes of the people will be stripped bare, and three-tenths of their income will be dissipated; while government expenses for broken chariots, worn-out horses, breast-plates and helmets, bows and arrows, spears and shields, protective mantles, draught-oxen and heavy wagons, will amount to four-tenths of its total revenue. 15. Hence a wise general makes a point of foraging on the enemy. One cartload of the enemy's provisions is equivalent to twenty of one's own, and likewise a single picul of his provender is equivalent to twenty from one's own store. [/Color] From III. ATTACK BY STRATAGEM: [Color=Silver] 4. The rule is, not to besiege walled cities if it can possibly be avoided. The preparation of mantlets, movable shelters, and various implements of war, will take up three whole months; and the piling up of mounds over against the walls will take three months more. 5. The general, unable to control his irritation, will launch his men to the assault like swarming ants, with the result that one-third of his men are slain, while the town still remains untaken. Such are the disastrous effects of a siege. 8. It is the rule in war, if our forces are ten to the enemy's one, to surround him; if five to one, to attack him; if twice as numerous, to divide our army into two. [/Color] From V. ENERGY: [Color=Silver] 2. Fighting with a large army under your command is nowise different from fighting with a small one: it is merely a question of instituting signs and signals. [/Color] From VI. WEAK POINTS AND STRONG: [Color=Silver] 1. Sun Tzu said: Whoever is first in the field and awaits the coming of the enemy, will be fresh for the fight; whoever is second in the field and has to hasten to battle will arrive exhausted. [/Color] From VII. MANEUVERING: [Color=Silver] 5. Maneuvering with an army is advantageous; with an undisciplined multitude, most dangerous. 7. Thus, if you order your men to roll up their buff-coats, and make forced marches without halting day or night, covering double the usual distance at a stretch, doing a hundred LI in order to wrest an advantage, the leaders of all your three divisions will fall into the hands of the enemy. 8. The stronger men will be in front, the jaded ones will fall behind, and on this plan only one-tenth of your army will reach its destination. 9. If you march fifty LI in order to outmaneuver the enemy, you will lose the leader of your first division, and only half your force will reach the goal. 10. If you march thirty LI with the same object, two-thirds of your army will arrive. 11. We may take it then that an army without its baggage-train is lost; without provisions it is lost; without bases of supply it is lost. 23. The Book of Army Management says: On the field of battle, the spoken word does not carry far enough: hence the institution of gongs and drums. Nor can ordinary objects be seen clearly enough: hence the institution of banners and flags. 24. Gongs and drums, banners and flags, are means whereby the ears and eyes of the host may be focused on one particular point. 25. The host thus forming a single united body, is it impossible either for the brave to advance alone, or for the cowardly to retreat alone. This is the art of handling large masses of men. 26. In night-fighting, then, make much use of signal-fires and drums, and in fighting by day, of flags and banners, as a means of influencing the ears and eyes of your army. 33. It is a military axiom not to advance uphill against the enemy, nor to oppose him when he comes downhill. [/Color] That's a start. Those excerpts come from the first seven chapters. [/QUOTE]
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