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Massively Leveling Down a Monster?
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<blockquote data-quote="Dr_Ruminahui" data-source="post: 5348090" data-attributes="member: 81104"><p>Well, I would recommend agaisnt downlevelling a monster by more than about 5 levels, and even more so by more than that and across a tier. Many upper tier monsters have powers and abilites that are rare at lower teirs - being able to stun, and do so more often, is probably the biggest one you need to look out for.</p><p> </p><p>I would recommend instead taking a more level appropriate monster (say, a rage drake) and reskin it as a T-rex.</p><p> </p><p>However, if you are dead set on using the Fang Titan drake, I would follow the DMG guidelines (except take care to bring damage within the guidelines set in the erratta), and then do whatever else is required to make it more level appropriate. For example, if it stuns as an at-will, make it an encounter power instead - especially if it is multitarget.</p><p> </p><p>So, looking at the monster in monster builder, I would:</p><p> 1. Apply the DMG guidelines for down levelling</p><p> 2. Reduce the range of the furious roar to 5, and make it only available once as a free action when bloodied (rather than having it and then recharging at bloodied)</p><p> 3. Decrease the frequency of its tail swipe</p><p> 4. Get rid of the daze on his bite, or limit it to the only the person grabbed... at will daze isn't very level appropriate for a level 2 party.</p><p> </p><p>I would also change the grabbing mechanic of his bite (doesn't make sense to be able to bite again with someone grabbed in its mouth, but it needs some sort of "munch" attack to make up for that), but that's not really a ballance issue.</p><p> </p><p>One thing to keep in mind, however, is if you characters are going to run into a bunch of dinosaurs over their carreer, you may want to give some thought to explaining why the T-Rex they fought at level 2 could have been gored to death by the baby plant eater they face at level 10. </p><p> </p><p>You also might want to make it a solo... I have a rough rule of thumb to account for higher/lower level creatures... if they face it and its a solo, 5 levels later it will be an elite, 10 later a normal monster, and 15 later a minion of the party appropriate level.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dr_Ruminahui, post: 5348090, member: 81104"] Well, I would recommend agaisnt downlevelling a monster by more than about 5 levels, and even more so by more than that and across a tier. Many upper tier monsters have powers and abilites that are rare at lower teirs - being able to stun, and do so more often, is probably the biggest one you need to look out for. I would recommend instead taking a more level appropriate monster (say, a rage drake) and reskin it as a T-rex. However, if you are dead set on using the Fang Titan drake, I would follow the DMG guidelines (except take care to bring damage within the guidelines set in the erratta), and then do whatever else is required to make it more level appropriate. For example, if it stuns as an at-will, make it an encounter power instead - especially if it is multitarget. So, looking at the monster in monster builder, I would: 1. Apply the DMG guidelines for down levelling 2. Reduce the range of the furious roar to 5, and make it only available once as a free action when bloodied (rather than having it and then recharging at bloodied) 3. Decrease the frequency of its tail swipe 4. Get rid of the daze on his bite, or limit it to the only the person grabbed... at will daze isn't very level appropriate for a level 2 party. I would also change the grabbing mechanic of his bite (doesn't make sense to be able to bite again with someone grabbed in its mouth, but it needs some sort of "munch" attack to make up for that), but that's not really a ballance issue. One thing to keep in mind, however, is if you characters are going to run into a bunch of dinosaurs over their carreer, you may want to give some thought to explaining why the T-Rex they fought at level 2 could have been gored to death by the baby plant eater they face at level 10. You also might want to make it a solo... I have a rough rule of thumb to account for higher/lower level creatures... if they face it and its a solo, 5 levels later it will be an elite, 10 later a normal monster, and 15 later a minion of the party appropriate level. [/QUOTE]
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